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As Pfizer and Moderna both rush a vaccine to market to fight the Covid-19 virus, will promises of returning to “normal” be enough to persuade people to take the quickly developed injection?
This article isn’t about persuading you one way or the other about whether you should be vaccinated. That is a matter for you, your family, and your physician to discuss. It’s about the opinions of Americans, the legalities of mandating cooperation, what we know about the vaccine, and the tactics that could be used to “encourage” your cooperation.
It’s expected that the new coronavirus vaccines will be approved any day now. Each vaccine is said to require two shots to confer immunity to the virus. Pfizer requires two doses three weeks apart, and Moderna requires two doses four weeks apart.
About half of Americans are eager to be vaccinated.
According to a poll conducted by Pew Research, 51% of American adults would immediately get a vaccine if it were available. That, of course, means that nearly half of all American adults aren’t convinced this is something that they want to do right now. This number has decreased from the first time the poll was taken. Back in May, 72% of American adults were on board with rolling up their sleeves as soon as possible.
Of course, this poll assumes that people will have a choice whether or not to be inoculated.
While half of the people surveyed want the injection, the other half do not. And that’s where the controversy lies – should we have a choice what medical treatments we undergo? Dr. Ron Paul spoke to The Huffington Post back in 2008 and said something as meaningful today as it was a dozen years ago.
“If we accept this notion that the federal government is going to dictate what we can put into our bodies, then it leads to the next step: that the government is going to regulate everything that is supposedly good for us. That’s where they are. They have an FDA that won’t allow somebody who’s dying to use an experimental drug which might speed up the process of finding out which drugs are good and which drugs are bad and the federal government comes in and dictates that they want complete control over vitamins and nutritional products and I just think the whole principal of government telling us what we can take in or not take in is just a dangerous position to take… it’s related to the drug industry because they’d like to control all of this.” (source)
Here are some of the immediate side effects.
Yasir Batalvi, a 24-year-old from Boston, volunteered to get the vaccine and received the two doses after signing a 22-page consent form. He shared his experience with CNN:
“The actual injection felt, at first, just like a flu shot, which is basically just a little pinch in the side of your arm,” Batalvi said. “Once I left the hospital, that evening, the stiffness got a little bit worse. It was definitely manageable, but you kind of don’t really feel like moving your arm too far above your shoulder. But the side effects are pretty localized. I mean, it’s just in the muscle in your arm. And that’s about it. It doesn’t really affect anything else and you feel fine.”
That was after the first dose. But the second dose was different.
“I actually had some pretty significant symptoms after I got the second dose. Once I got the second dose, I was fine while I was in the hospital. But that evening was rough. I mean, I developed a low-grade fever, and fatigue and chills,” Batalvi said. He said he was out for that day and evening, but he “felt ready to go by the next morning.”He said he called the study doctors to let them know about his symptoms. They weren’t alarmed and told him he shouldn’t be either.Feeling under the weather does not mean that you got Covid-19 from the vaccine — in fact, experts say having this kind of reaction shows that your body is responding the way it should, and it should not deter anyone from getting vaccinated or going back for their second dose. (source)
Doctors have urged the CDC to be transparent about the fact that the side effects of the vaccine are “not a walk in the park.”
Dr. Sandra Fryhofer of the American Medical Association said both Pfizer’s and Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccines require two doses at varying intervals. As a practicing physician, she said she worries whether her patients will come back for a second dose because of the potentially unpleasant side effects they may experience after the first shot.
“We really need to make patients aware that this is not going to be a walk in the park,” Fryhofer said during a virtual meeting with the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, or ACIP, an outside group of medical experts that advise the CDC. She is also a liaison to the committee. “They are going to know they had a vaccine. They are probably not going to feel wonderful. But they’ve got to come back for that second dose…
…One North Carolina woman in the Moderna study who is in her 50s said she didn’t experience a fever but suffered a bad migraine that left her drained for a day and unable to focus. She said she woke up the next day feeling better after taking Excedrin but added that Moderna may need to tell people to take a day off after a second dose.
“If this proves to work, people are going to have to toughen up,” she said. “The first dose is no big deal. And then the second dose will definitely put you down for the day for sure. … You will need to take a day off after the second dose.” (source)
These are the immediate side effects but only time will tell if there are long-term side effects.
Does the United States intend to mandate the vaccine?
Joe Biden has said that the vaccine will not be made mandatory on a federal level. The thing is, these decisions are usually made on a state level.
Some government officials are already talking about mandating the vaccine. Virginia State Health Commissioner, Dr. Norman Oliver, is all for mandatory Covid vaccinations.
State Health Commissioner Dr. Norman Oliver told 8News on Friday that he plans to mandate coronavirus vaccinations for Virginians once one is made available to the public.
Virginia state law gives the Commissioner of Health the authority to mandate immediate immunizations during a public health crisis if a vaccine is available. Health officials say an immunization could be released as early as 2021.
Dr. Oliver says that, as long as he is still the Health Commissioner, he intends to mandate the coronavirus vaccine…
…Oliver believes that, in the case of COVID-19, public health takes precedent over choice. He said herd immunity is the state’s best defense to stop the spread. (source)
Despite his health commissioner’s enthusiasm, Virginia Governor Ralph Northam has said he is not planning to mandate the vaccine at this time.
The Virginia health commissioner is not alone in his desire to mandate the vaccination. The New York State Bar has also recommended it be mandatory for residents of the state.
All this being said, there doesn’t seem to be a direct plan to pass laws making people take the vaccine.
Can the government actually make people take a vaccine?
But there is legislative precedent dating back to a U.S. Supreme Court case in 1905 called Jacobson v. Massachusetts that allows the government to mandate vaccinations.
In that case, the Supreme Court said that states have under their police powers, which is under the Constitution, the authority to enact reasonable regulations as necessary to protect public health, public safety, and the common good. Vaccination mandates constitute exactly that kind of permissible state action to protect the public’s health. Even though it’s 115 years old, this continues to be the benchmark case on the state’s power to mandate vaccination.
In response to the argument about this individual liberty interest, the court said that sometimes individual interests might have to yield to state laws that endeavor to protect the health of everybody—the “common good.” The court said: “The rights of the individual may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint to be enforced by reasonable regulations as the safety of the general public may demand.”
So, yes: Once COVID vaccines are available, states could elect to require that people who live within that state be vaccinated. (source)
Despite this law being in place, mandating the vaccine will probably not be the first method used by the government.
Will Americans be forced or persuaded?
So what happens during a pandemic when there’s a vaccine that people are hesitant to take? Will we be forcibly immunized against our will?
It’s likely to be a much different approach than a SWAT team breaching your house in the middle of the night, holding down your family members, and stabbing them with syringes. If a widespread push is made to get people to take this vaccine, it will likely be a case of making life difficult for those who opt-out and more pleasant for those who opt-in.
People are desperate to resume some kind of normalcy, which will certainly be part of the campaign for vaccination. As we move into the second round of lockdowns, folks just want to have holidays with their families. Millions have been pushed into poverty. Mental health issues abound from the months of isolation. It’s difficult to connect with others and people want to resume their lives.
And if that’s not enough to persuade them to roll up their sleeve for an injection, following are some of the possibilities that have been mentioned to “encourage” Americans to take the vaccine when it becomes available.
Your kids may have to take it to go to school.
Most states already require that children be vaccinated against polio, diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis, measles, rumps, and rubella, chickenpox, and hepatitis B unless they hold an exemption that is valid in that state. Exemptions are generally related to medical issues, religious beliefs, or personal philosophy.
It’s likely that a mandatory Covid vaccine for children to attend school would vary from state to state. Children have generally not become very ill with this particular virus and have seemed less likely than adults to contract it. (There have, of course, been some exceptions.) To some, that would indicate children did not need to undergo the risk of taking yet another vaccine. Dr. Christine Turley, M.D., Pediatrics Specialist and vice-chair of research at Atrium Health Levine Children’s Hospital believes it could be beneficial.
However, school-bound children could spread the virus to parents, grandparents, and others with underlying health conditions. Vaccinating children could eliminate one major source of coronavirus spread, possibly increasing the effectiveness of herd immunity (source)
And even if your kids are attending school via Zoom, it may not exempt them. I spoke to one parent whose children are engaged in distance learning in Massachusetts. Although they will not be setting foot on school property, they are still required to have proof that they are up to date on all required vaccinations.
Employers could insist that employees be vaccinated.
You could potentially lose your job if you refuse to take a vaccine that your employer has deemed mandatory. Legal and public health expert Joanne Rosen, a senior lecturer in Health Policy and Management and the Center for Law and the Public’s Health, spoke about the topic of mandatory vaccinations with Public Health On Call podcast host Stephanie Desmon.
An employer has to have a “reasonable basis.” If you worked in retail, I’m not sure a corporate entity could require that. They may want you to and recommend it, but it wouldn’t be reasonably related to the requirements of their job.
But in sectors in which the employees are themselves at greater risk of contracting vaccine-preventable illnesses or who work with populations that are especially vulnerable if they do get sick, like hospital workers, health care workers, and people who work in [long-term care] facilities, employers have required that their staff be vaccinated against the flu each year.
Another thing that states could do, short of a requirement across the board that everybody be vaccinated, is they could begin with a mandate that focuses on those sectors—people who are themselves at greater risk or who work in proximity with vulnerable populations. We don’t want the employees themselves getting sick and being a bridge, or “vector,” to infecting others who are vulnerable. People may object, but some more targeted form of vaccine mandate may make sense and also be possible. (source)
Dorit Reiss, a law professor at the University of California Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco, told TODAY there were a few exceptions:
Employees who are part of a union may be exempt from the vaccine requirement.
Anti-discrimination laws also provide some limits. If you can’t get the vaccine for medical reasons, that could be a disability under the Americans with Disabilities Act, which would require an employer to accommodate you. That could mean requiring you to wear a mask on the job or have limited contact with other people, Reiss said.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964 may protect people who have a religious objection to a vaccine. An employer would have to make a reasonable accommodation as long as it’s not too costly for the business.
These laws apply only to companies with 15 or more employees, so smaller businesses are exempt.
“We think about employers as this huge, amorphous thing, but under the law, they’re also private entities with rights, especially if it’s a small mom and pop shop,” Reiss noted. (source)
Consider how some workplaces require all employees to receive a flu shot – the Covid vaccine could be enforced in a similar manner. Health care workers and those involved in education are most likely to be the first to face such requirements.
Businesses could require patrons to show proof of vaccination.
Even if a state or federal mandate is not in place, privately owned businesses could potentially require patrons to show proof of vaccination before they receive service.
Can airlines, restaurants, stores and stadiums make the vaccine a condition of doing business with you?
Yes, within the anti-discrimination laws mentioned above.
“They can decide to refuse service to you for pretty much any reason,” Reiss said, pointing out a policy most shoppers are already familiar with: no shirt, no shoes, no service.
People who are covered by anti-discrimination laws can’t just demand a business let them do whatever they want. The company just has to give you a reasonable accommodation, so a store might refuse you entry but offer curbside pick-up of groceries. (source)
Private businesses can set their own policies. Ticketmaster, the purveyor of tickets for concerts, plays, and just about any public event, has already “been working on a framework for post-pandemic fan safety” that would use their phones to confirm whether they’ve been vaccinated or had a negative test within the past couple of days. Billboard reports:
Here’s how it would work, if approved: After purchasing a ticket for a concert, fans would need to verify that they have already been vaccinated (which would provide approximately one year of COVID-19 protection) or test negative for coronavirus approximately 24 to 72 hours prior to the concert. The length of coverage a test would provide would be governed by regional health authorities — if attendees of a Friday night concert had to be tested 48 hours in advance, most could start the testing process the day before the event. If it was a 24-hour window, most people would likely be tested the same day of the event at a lab or a health clinic.
Once the test was complete, the fan would instruct the lab to deliver the results to their health pass company, like CLEAR or IBM. If the tests were negative, or the fan was vaccinated, the health pass company would verify the attendee’s COVID-19 status to Ticketmaster, which would then issue the fan the credentials needed to access the event. If a fan tested positive or didn’t take a test to verify their status, they would not be granted access to the event. There are still many details to work out, but the goal of the program is for fans to take care of vaccines and testing prior to the concert and not show up hoping to be tested onsite.
Ticketmaster would not store or have access to fans’ medical records and would only receive verification of whether a fan is cleared to attend an event on a given date. (source)
This isn’t a definite plan but the fact that it’s in the works means the idea could spread to sporting events, shopping centers, movie theaters, or any other venue in which people are in close proximity with one another.
Your eligibility for a $1500 stimulus check could depend on it.
U.S. Rep. John Delaney, a Democrat from Maryland who was an “also-ran” in the recent presidential election, thinks that tying the next stimulus check to vaccination is a good idea.
“We have to create, in my judgment, an incentive for people to really accelerate their thinking about taking the vaccine,” Delaney told CNBC, noting that nobody would be forced to participate if they don’t want to.
Delaney said the program would cost about $380 billion, more than the $270 billion the U.S. spent on the $1,200 coronavirus stimulus checks that went out earlier this year.
“So if you can only spend $400 billion, this is what you should spend it on,” Delaney said. (source)
Given the US’s rather dismal economic situation, $1500 for taking a couple of free injections would probably be tough to pass up for a lot of folks.
You may not be able to travel without it.
Airlines are preparing to launch a digital “Covid Passport” to try and revive the dying travel industry.
The International Air Transport Association, or IATA, on Monday said it plans to introduce this month a mobile phone app that arriving travelers could use to prove that they’ve been vaccinated for the coronavirus that causes Covid-19 and tested negative for it. Conceivably the app, which IATA is calling The Travel Pass, also could become necessary for domestic flights should airlines begin requiring all their passengers to document their Covid-19 vaccination and testing status.
No governments as yet have said they will accept such digital documentation from travelers as a way for them to escape the quarantines currently required by many nations for arriving foreigners…
…But IATA, which represents nearly 300 airlines that collectively carry 82% of all air travelers globally, is acting now so that its member carriers can begin ramping up their international operations as Covid-19 vaccines begin being administered, presumably in a matter of weeks. (source)
For people who travel recreationally, this might not be enough inducement to get the vaccine. But for those who have family members in other countries or who travel for work, it could become a necessity.
What should you know about the Covid vaccine?
The Covid vaccine uses new technology called mRNA. The mRNA vaccine sequences are designed to mimic those produced by mammalian cells. Because of this, mRNA vaccines are much faster (and cheaper) to produce than antigen vaccines. The PHG Organization of the University of Cambridge explains:
Conventional vaccines usually contain inactivated disease-causing organisms or proteins made by the pathogen (antigens), which work by mimicking the infectious agent. They stimulate the body’s immune response, so it is primed to respond more rapidly and effectively if exposed to the infectious agent in the future.
RNA vaccines use a different approach that takes advantage of the process that cells use to make proteins: cells use DNA as the template to make messenger RNA (mRNA) molecules, which are then translated to build proteins. An RNA vaccine consists of an mRNA strand that codes for a disease-specific antigen. Once the mRNA strand in the vaccine is inside the body’s cells, the cells use the genetic information to produce the antigen. This antigen is then displayed on the cell surface, where it is recognised by the immune system. (source)
At this point, there are no licensed mRNA vaccines in the United States. Much of the research on mRNA has been focused on triggering the immune system to target specific cancer cells.
There are innumerable videos and articles about the pros and cons of mRNA vaccinations and I urge you to do your own research when making decisions for your family.
Will you be getting a Covid vaccine?
I’m personally against mandating any type of medical care or procedures. If we don’t control what goes into our own bodies, how can we consider ourselves free human beings? This isn’t to say a particular vaccine or treatment is good or bad. I simply don’t want to be forced or manipulated into making medical decisions. I believe we should all have the right to make our own medical choices.
Approximately half of the Americans surveyed are eager to get a Covid vaccine right away. Others want to wait for a year or so, to see if there are long-term negative side effects. Still others have no interest in the vaccine whatsoever.
What are your thoughts on this vaccine and any possible mandates? Let’s discuss it in the comments.
Yeah I was forced to take vaccines in the Army. Run the gauntlet because we were in rapid deployment units.
That dang Anthrax one tore me up. Smallpox was the whole company being out for 3 days. Oh and suddenly after these two they no longer wanted blood donations from us.
Malaria and Flu makes me run fevers.
I’m in no rush to be off to I Am Legend land.
“I Am Legend”
That’s what came to my mind as well, when all this talk of vaccines started to spring. I’m not into zombies, never was. But there’s a lot of weird stuff going on at the same time right now. And I feel 2021 is going to be even crazier.
Besides, where did all these zombie stories came from anyway eh? LOL
Did you see the article about zombie minks? S**t can’t possibly get any crazier, can it?!
Yeah, I had to get the Yellow Fever vaccine.
I think getting actual Yellow Fever would of been better.
Anthrax made my shoulder sore for a few days, but that was it.
Smallpox was no big deal.
Malaria Monday. In the high desert. During a drought. Cholera was a bigger danger for the locals than Malaria.
I will let that 51% be the lab rats for the first year and see if there is any one doing the funky chicken, before I get it.
Side observation: the division in America as it continues to grow deeper and deeper, we are seeing two different Americas emerging. Both sides think they are living in reality and the others are not.
So true. I tend to think we are all a bit delusional. Even the uncertainty of it all is uncertain.
I, for one, am not delusional in any way. Thanks be to God.
And when you know the TRUTH the TRUTH will set you free…Our country was always a FREE country. That is why so many Americans are still living here b/c basically were are a FREE people. Most of us appreciate that freedom. We don’t want to be slaves, we don’t want to be under control or persuaded to do something that might possibly be harmful. We want to live free or die ( as they say down south)…
I agree that we need to wait and see what happens to ALL of these people that are willing to line up and get the shots and see what happens to those people. Were they still sane or were they rapidly changing and becoming insane? Ahhhh, only time will tell. Did the injections mess with their DNA? Ohhhhh, it’s possible. Anything is possible…I do believe ONLY time will give us a common sense approach to doing this in the near future. So just be cautious for now…
As for the withholding of stimulus checks whether they are again at $1,200 or $1,500 or whatever…That will NOT persuade me to do anything that I don’t feel is good for me. I do think we need to be able to make our OWN decisions without any repercussions from doing so. SO I will join you in your boat, b/c I am NOT delusional either and don’t want anything to make me that way!!!
Same here. took Army vac’s for 24 years, have NEVER had a side effect from ANY vaccine (knock on wood and thank the Lord).
Did not take the Chloraquin (or derivited there of) on ‘Freaky-Fridays’ during the winter months in Afghanistan but did in summer and warm months of spring and fall. Also took it in Thailand, Korea and the So. Pacific, again, no side effects.
My concern is ‘forced’ vaccinations… we’ll see what comes of all this. (cooperation through intimidation)
The VP elect…(cuze’me…I just blew-chunks. sorry) said she would NOT take any vaccine developed under the Trump administration. My question is, will Kamila ‘Herassment’ take a vac? Maybe she’ll have some incapacitating side effect(s) before she is able to assist in the initiating of the 25th amendment…jus’hoping, I mean… wondering
i saw harris on cnn say she would take the vaccine offered.
She can have mine…
Hahaha, none of the “bad guys” are gonna take the real vaccine! Either saline or fake syringes.
You speak the truth!
Bill Gates and fellow Big Tech folk do not take any vaccines nor do they allow their children to be vaccinated.
Sigh… what proof do you have that Gates and Big Tech don’t vaccinate their children or aren’t vaccinated themselves? And I am talking admissible evidence in a court of law, not fox news or other websites. I am at the point that I fervently wish COVID-19 kill those who refuse to take the virus seriously and/or refuse to be vaccinated unless s/he has a health condition verified by a licensed, competent, unbiased medical professional.
Bill Gates own family’s doctor did an interview a while ago…he said that Gates-ofHell does not allow his own family to be injected with whatever is ingredients in those vaxes.
“I am at the point that I fervently wish COVID-19 kill those who refuse to take the virus seriously and/or refuse to be vaccinated unless s/he has a health condition verified by a licensed, competent, unbiased medical professional.”
May you die first. You have no right to tell me what to do. This is just a virus – I would know, I studied it for the past four months. Most people have nothing to worry about from it. Your wishing death on them shows your lack of perspective and humanity.
So I will return the favor. Die first, “Selena,” and die slow.
” I am at the point that I fervently wish COVID-19 kill those who refuse to take the virus seriously and/or refuse to be vaccinated…” blah, blah.
Funny how the vax pushers insist on pain of death you take the jab. You must comply by their wishes…or else. Just like the Chicoms, that ” do it or else” attitude.
Routers investigated this claim and found it to be false. The source of this claim was a writer known to post “fake news” and did so under a pseudonym. The “news” that posted it even denounced the article since then and changed their name as well.
The definition of “fact” and “valid sources” is at the epicenter of the divide in America. For me, bias is different then outright false. Mainstream media is biased. Non-mainstream media is altered (not just through omission, but actual content) with intent to manipulate the consumers and therefore sometimes false or should be labeled as opinion not taken as fact.
Typhoid and Yellow Fever always given together in the USAF, maybe different now, was a guaranteed 3days down for me. Anthrax, yeah still waiting on the big ugly from those. Still carrying a knot in my arm. The military medical logic, (oxymoron anyone?) on Smallpox was “perfect”. Had the scar but “just to be sure” had to get it again before deploying to Iraq. Supposed to recreate the scar/scab etc, unless your still immune. What about no reaction cause I’m still immune? Supposed to give about 75 years of immunity. Oh in that case you’ll get a third dose.
We practice energy medicine and eliminate vaccines from ones body, called NAET. Ewe can work remotely too. Our website is chicointegrativehealth.com
My ‘witch doctor’ aunt introduced me to homeopathy and NAET. What she is able to do boggles the mind and I know she’s as honest as they come. One good homeopathy allergy test completely changed my views about this. It’s easy to dismiss bcs it literally sounds so crazy but there is ‘something’ to it.
This is going to be a really tough one for me.
I have an autoimmune disease – Rheumatoid Arthritis – which causes my immune system to attack my own body. I take medications that suppress my immune system so I can function somewhat normally.
I’m sure you have seen numerous ads for RA medications on TV. If you listen closely, they caution about taking these meds if you have an infection, some even say you should NOT take vaccines while you are on these med.
Unfortunately, these meds will be required for the rest of my life.
My doctor cautions about taking any vaccines. In fact, my husband should not take one either since he lives in the same house as I do.
All this talk about making life difficult for those who Don’t take it is kind of concerning. I have yet to hear what they intend to do with those of us who can’t take it.
The way I see it, taking this vaccine could very well be the end of me.
I have had to avoid most activities because getting Covid would no doubt put me in the hospital to die alone. Most people I know, with the exception of a few, think I am crazy for not going out and about.
People just don’t understand, or don’t want to.
I knew about covid in December, and left the house to pick up my brother in a bunny suit. So know there’s one person in this country who (was) not going out and about. Knowing some research results, I now take 1000IU of Vitamin D3 daily. That is, to not be hospitalized with this requires a blood level of at least 21mg%.
Congratulations, you are now sterile. There is no such thing as vitamin D3. D3 is a known sterilization drug. That’s why Walmart was pushing it in the front of their stores, on pallets, years ago. It’s still out there. lol That was to get you to think it was good for you. Terrific marketing. It taught the govt just how stupid people are. It’s in some pet foods too. Read the labels.
Marni, why are you being hateful? If you believe Roberta may have or is harming herself, offer information and where to confirm – not taunting and name calling. Why would anyone think that WM would risk lawsuits by selling a product known to harm customers? I hope you are one of the mask mongers so you are less able to spread hateful comments.
oh bullshit…put your mask back on….
Congratulations Marni, that is the biggest load of horse$*#@ I have seen in a long time! Not only is it horse$*#@ but it’s insulting to Roberta and those of us who actually do our research and take responsibility for our own health.
If there is no such thing as Vitamin D, then not only does Roberta not have to worry about being sterile from taking something that doesn’t exist but those of us who spend too much time in the sun are all at risk of sterility!
Please, get your facts straight before you publicly embarrass yourself. You’re WAY too smart to believe such HORSE$*#@!!
I agree with your analysis. In your situation, I would agree with your decision to NOT take the vaccine. The ‘side effects’ people are reporting on the second shot seems to definitely a response from their immune system; which would give you all kinds of problems and could really do a job on you.
Long term I would not be concerned. If COVID follows the same path that the Spanish Flu of 1918 did COVID should be gone by 2022. While you may have a trying year in 2021 as various hysteric run around because people do not know what they are doing and no one tell them to stop being hysterical; I expect once we get into 2022 all the ‘stupid talk’ will come to an end as people realize COVID is gone.
I think the problem most people will have is enduring the endless hysteria that the media pumps out through 2021 until they go on to something else.
T.C., I have several autoimmune conditions – Psoriatic/Crohn’s related arthritis (I just say inflammatory arthritis, just like RA, but without the + test), and I have some major reservations about the vaccine as I too, am on immuno-modulating/suppressing medications. Last December I believe I already had Covid (was sick from the middle of Dec to the end of Jan with “viral bronchitis”, all the same symptoms.) I’ve not been told to prevent my husband from getting vaccines, but that I need to avoid any future grandchildren for a month after their polio or any other “live” vaccine. I was also told not to get the shingles vaccine, although I understand that they have come out with an inactivated version (still not getting it.).
Just wanted you to know you’re not the only one out there worried about what a mandated vaccine would mean for those of us who it’s really STRONGLY recommended that we NOT get the shots. Even if I were able, I would want many decades of use to prove to me that the mRNA isn’t going to mess with my already crazy immune system.
Maybe, just maybe, if enuff people take the vaccine, Covid will dwindle to virtually nothing – between vaccinations and infections.
But the next virus, natural or man made will come along.
So many people/countries want to control the world… probably manmade.
This will be a hot, hot topic in the near future as vaccines roll out. We are at a point in which there’s a deep, widespread distrust in institutions. The Fourth Turning may be a cliché by now but it doesn’t make it less valid as a theory I guess.
It’s the zeitgeist just that. I remember the antivax movement was already underway before CV19. The chaos in economy, the divisions in everything politics class race etc. and the absolute bungling of the pandemic by the authorities make matters worse for sure.
But I agree, there’s a huge number of people who are looking to it as salvation, as a way to return things to normal. Which IMHO won’t happen regardless of the effectiveness. And there is also a lot of ppl who will accept anything they’re told or given without even thinking it through.
It is a weird, still unknown disease – I feel there are more unknowns than knowns, that or we aren’t being told the truth (or the whole of it). The vaccines, however we look at them, are yet to stand the test of time and widespread adoption. It’s no small thing, everything considered.
And yes, there are more issues at stake other than the disease itself. Perhaps even bigger issues. Of course there are.
Anyway, since it won’t be available to everyone at once I guess there will be some time for those not wanting to take it right away to sit back and watch. Not only for effectiveness and safety but also for which measures the governments and authorities (and corporations) will try to impose. They already are but I have a feeling it is about to get worse and will lead to resistance and clashes.
In my age group 99,9% of people get away cured or don’t even feel any symptoms. I’m all for science and by no means an antivaxer. I won’t be dishing advice or trying to convince anyone this or that is better (because I don’t know for sure). It will be as it will be. I just hope ppl think critically and act with common sense.
I for myself won’t be rushing to the lines to get it on Day One. I’m willing to sit out and pay the price, endure even more hardship, until things clear out a bit more. Then I’ll see what I can do in view of the context.
They are not going to give you time to figure it out. This will not be dragged on. They want us all dead. Hello? Should u miraculously survive the first shot (you won’t), they will insist on giving you another. Goodbye earth. Hello Hell.
Maybe. I’m considering the logistics of having whatever vaccine produced, distributed, and inoculated to even half of the 7 billion people around the world in a timeframe.
It’s the same reason the introduction of digital cryptocurrencies by central banks or governments is being delayed. I’m sure it will come, but things in this scale take time.
Not that I believe this will take too long or enough to do whatever, or even if anyone will be able to do something about it. But some will get hit before, and some later on because there’s no way to give it to everyone at the same time.
Either way…as the Stoics say, we usually suffer more in imagination that in reality. Every period of deep and fast changes and introduction of new technologies always have us humans freaking out and believing the world will end.
When computers started getting popular people went wild saying we’d be enslaved by machines in 10 or 20 yrs. Newspapers and studies in the 90’s said the Rain Forest would be a desert by as early as 2010, and it’s getting devastated but still there. 5 yrs ago everyone said small photography drones would fall from the sky or crash own airplanes everywhere. The fad passed and it didn’t happen.
Maybe the same can be said about global warming, new vaccines, AI, polar meltdown, WW3. It hasn’t yet which doesn’t mean it wont at some point I admit.
Anyway, whatever, we’ll have to wait and see. Stay safe.
It’s rather naughty to refer to this as a “vaccination.” It’s a gene therapy injection. It turns your body’s cells into covid-19 factories, and then your immune system takes care of it. One website has quoted Pfizer’s head of research as noting it’s a female sterilization shot as well. That is, it causes the body to make a spike protein, which has an element the same as that which a developing placenta needs. So the female develops antibodies to obliterate that needed protein. I wont try to spell it! Immune-mediated sterility works, as the UN has done this to women in the Philippines, Nigeria, and Colombia without their consent, and masquerading as a 2-dose tetanus shot. One of the victims was a physician, and last I heard, was suing the UN.
Roberta…I am so glad that I’m not the only one who was thinking of this. Thought the old tin foil hat was screwed down too tight. Gates wants to lower the Earth’s population and what better way than this. I mentioned this to my husband way back in the early Spring when they were talking about vaccinations.
GENESis 6, noah was pure in his GENEration, thie vaz will change your dna (GENES).
israelnationalnews..com nov 26,2020: Mike Cernovich writing: “Government won’t force you to take vaccine. Amazon will. Airlines will. Banks will. You won’t be able to buy, sell, or trade without the vaccine.”
I am prepared to be fired. I will under no circumstances willingly participate. It is not of God, and I am not going to contaminate the temple of the Holy Ghost.
Excellent, Stuart. May God bless you and keep you safe.
I agree wholeheartedly in Jesus’ name, and may God protect and help us all. Amen.
Here are my top 3 thoughts on the vaccine:
1) It was rushed and skipped animal testing and long-term testing. It hasn’t even been tested on pregnant females or young children. There has been no long term testing.
2) Two of the types of vaccine both change your genetic code permanently. One is an RNA vaccine the other is a DNA vaccine.
3) One of them (the one that needs to be stored at cryogenic temperatures (-78C)) is using an experimental PEG lipid nanoparticle designed to deliver the cargo into your cells.
Here are my thoughts on experts claiming it’s safe:
1) They said tobacco was safe.
2) They said asbestos was safe.
3) They said PCB s were safe.
4) They said carbon tetrachloride was safe. (Used to be a carpet cleaner until it killed children on the carpet…also toxic and caused organ failure)
5) They said thalidomide was safe. (Given to pregnant women and caused brutal birth defects….no arms etc)
6) Lead based paint used to be safe.
7) Benzene used to be safe
8) Bisphenol A used to be safe.
9) Shoe-fitting fluoroscopes used to be safe. (X-ray machines used to see (in real-time) if your shoe it well)
10) Chlorofluorocarbon refrigerant used to be safe
…you could literally go on forever with things that were claimed to be ‘safe’ by the experts.
What in the history of ever-loving-mankind would make anyone TRUST a human? You’d have to be daft to trust a human! You’d have to be daft to trust anyone who calls themselves an expert or an authority.
You’d have to ignore most of human history to have instant faith in the Covid Vaccine (in my opinion).
Even if it was SAFE as in humans got it right on the first try!……I have a bigger issue with it:
I want my Government to spend my money wisely. Covid is a cute little puppy compared to what is actually killing Canadians. In an average year we have 6 to 8 thousand Canadians die from the flu. Covid has only managed to kill 12,496 so far (To put that in perspective in Canada, Car accidents (other other accidents) kill over 13,500 people a year).
Covid (in Canada) was even stealing other deaths. Flu deaths stopped. Pneumonia deaths stopped.
There is literally NO statistically variance that can be detected in the yearly Canadian deaths due to Covid. Our death growth rate ACTUALLY slowed from 0.6% to 0.58%.
Soooo if Covid didn’t make a difference in our deaths why direct gigadollars to it? (and also crash our economy for it) Why not direct that money to things that are actually bad:
Heart disease kills over 50,000 Canadians a year.
Cancer kills over 80,000 if you are trying to help people direct research money that way. Right?
So globally Covid is expected to kill about 1.6 million people….but the economic fallout from shutting everything down is expected to push over 250 million people to the edge of starvation (globally) according to the UN. According to the United Nations “There is also a real danger that more people could potentially die from the economic impact of COVID-19 than from the virus itself.” <WFP's executive director David Beasley
So as a Canadian, I say I'm not afraid of the big bad covid and for God's sake direct all our money to actually helping the world and troubled nations. I'd risk dying of Covid to help those starving throughout the world.
So, I guess in summary:
No. I won't take the vaccine. I don't trust that it is safe and I KNOW Covid isn't a relevant threat to Canadians.
I think there will be additional secondary fallout that no one really seems to be thinking about. While up to 250 million are at risk of starvation; what else is going to happen in those areas? Will some countries get into wars with other countries over food, or governments fall because they are unable to maintain order with a starving population? I expect large parts of the entire southern hemisphere will be at risk of secondary fall out effects, especially Africa and South America.
Chlorofluorocarbon refrigerant is still safe. It was just declared to be unsafe just as the patents on it expired. Declared unsafe to drive the market to a new overpriced refrigerant that is still under patent.
How many other things are fraudulently declared safe or dangerous for the purpose of profits?
Follow the money.
MAMMOGRAMS were supposed to be safe also but the radiation was high and caused breast cancer. I used to get them before I knew that info. Now 15 years later the Surgeon says he thinks I need a biopsy to check a lump…
Also they came out with the Polio vaccine years ago. I was 6 when I got the shot, and at 7 I actually had Polio. I still do. It was a childhood disease back then but as I grew into an adult then it becomes Adult post polio syndrome (check it out on google)…SO was it safe NO and now I have a crooked spine from me (scoliosis of the spine) and 2 pinched nerves in my middle/inner ears which means at my age I am about 75% deaf (b/c of contracting polio as a child). Now what was that about the vaccine being “safe”? Did you read it was 93% or 95% safe? Really????? Hummmmmmmmm, do you believe that? Well some do and some don’t, so we should know in about a year or less if it was safe or not. I think MAN will fail us, but GOD will never fail us (at least that is what the good book tells us).
At 75, I sincerely believe that the polio vaccine was and is the most dangerous of all the shots I have been forced or co-ersced into taking. At 14 years of age it was given or forced on me. Later it was the sugar cube dyed blue that was supposed to take care of the disease because the shot was not enough. At the age of 14, I was athletic with only the physical things I could do and pretty much above the average of physical strength and speed. By age 15 and 16, my agility and body strength was gone. No longer was I faster than most, my gait had become staggered and the pain
in my lower back became the devil that controlled me. I have been forced to live for 60 years in pain because of the effects of probably a well-meaning germ or bacteria from a monkey or test tube. I can forgive the germ or bacteria but have a hard time letting guilt go from the administration. Probably (in their own mind at least) thinking stupidly
that they were helping but evidently not. The soul cannot sleep forever. It will be judged with truth.
If you’re old enough to remember – RED M&M’s, i.e. Red dye #2
I have SERIOUS concerns about this shot. Not to deviate to politics, I am a Trump supporter but have had grave concerns about how much he has pushed this “fast track” and that big pharma is exempt from any liability regarding long term effects of this “vaccine”. Why the rush when statistically COVID 19 is not the cause of a majority of the “COVID related” deaths and still though deadly in some cases, is not off the charts?
Secondly, there are too many unanswered questions about the disease itself to now come up with a vaccine. Why haven’t more efforts been on actual treatment than vaccinations for which we have no idea what the long term implications are. I am not an anti-vaxer, but in this case I most definitely am.
Thirdly, I am concerned as to how my everyday life will change. I am retired military and on social security and do have some rental properties. If the government decides that anyone receiving “government money” must get the shots, there goes two thirds of my income. And, if Medicare or Tricare (military insurance) recipients must have it, then there goes my health care. Maybe I sound like tin foil, but 8 months ago who would have thought that local officials would become little dictators (Gruesome Newsome, et al).
Fourth, I live alone. I have no one who can do errands for me so how will this impact my life? As for medical matters, I am trying to get big things taken care of now. Why you ask? I was scheduled for a dental cleaning at the VA last month. They called and told me I would need to take the COVID test 3 days prior to the appointment since cleaning involves aerosoling. I declined the offer and they sent me out in town to a dentist. The local dentists do not require COVID testing to be seen. Another friend who goes to another VA told me her dental tech came in to her room with a HAZMAT suit on for her cleaning. Too many inconsistencies and things are going crazy so a lot to consider but I will not be taking the shot.
Also being former military as someone else posted they can no longer donate blood; because I was stationed in Europe during the mad cow scare, I am no longer allowed to donate blood either. So on a lighter note, if the vax mixed with the mad cow disease that I never had, suppose I started mooing and grazing in my front yard I would truly be in a pickle.
From my research beyond the fact that there are unknown risks and this is more genetic manipulation than a “vaccine”, it also contains cell lines from aborted fetal tissue. Me personally I am ready to accept whatever consequences come with not taking it from losing everything up to and including my own death (I will go down fighting though if it comes to that). This goes against everything I believe in and I will not take it.
Nobody should be forced to undergo any sort of medical procedure – period. If you believe in taking it, fine go take it, know the risks first. If you don’t then using force or coercion is just wrong. Our government was supposed to be set up to secure our liberties and freedom, NOT to ensure our safety or dictate how we live our lives.
I agree ????%. For reasons much like yours, I will not comply with ANY mandate to submit to a vaccination.
Stand your ground!
If masks are so effective at limiting transmission of the virus, let those who wish not to be vaccinated continue to wear them… unless the effectiveness of masks was all just BS, and didn’t work in the first place.
Yep. You got it. Bullschitt.
Anthony J Perricone – that was Brilliant. Love it!!!!!
The mask can’t protect you from a fart–why would it protect you from a virus?
Also, if masks actually did protect ppl against corona viruses, and children are statistically MUCH more likely to die from the seasonal flu, then why hasn’t the medical industry been pushing kiddy masking for the last 60+ years?
If you’ve ever seen a video of someone ‘vaping through a mask’ (google it), then you’d know.
Masks do obstruct directional flow – important for a doctor standing over an open body cavity – but not the quantity of particulate exhaled. A bunch of maskers in an elevator, a stairway, on a bus, or walking around each other in public may as well be spitting in each others faces.
You must see the big picture, the source of this hell. U.N. Agenda 2030 says there will be no elderly,
no children in the world, because by then, everyone will be a Cyborg (half human, half A.I.) Deagel
Report’s eerie prediction for 2025 should open your eyes to what this “pandemic” scam is really
all about: Deagel (Very High Intelligence) says by 2025, the population of the U.S. will decrease from
(approx.) 350 million down to 99 million. (pls. look it up for specific numbers.)
This covid “pandemic” is about Fear. Through fear and not faith, people are driving cars with
rags on their faces-totally dangerous, as all the face diapers do is contain your body poisons in
your lungs and your brain; successfully leading to dementia.
NWO is so desperate to change your DNA to mRNA, that they will threaten you with every
threat their sick, twisted, disgusting, perverted, demonic minds can think up.
They are so desperate to steal your humanity, the uniqueness God created each individual
with, that they are employing Hitler tactics to make sure you will never see Eternal Life (as Our
Lord did not die for non-human A.I.) — This is the End Time battle of all battles: Good vs. Evil.
PS: Read the Cares Act. Doctors are paid $10-$30,000 to diagnose cv. A hospital that sticks
someone on a ventilator, receives $39,000. Please recognize this for what it truly is: The biggest
con-game/deception that the planet has ever seen. De-population Goal: 90% of the earth
to be destroyed. Still want to be one of their victims????? If everyone in America threw their
face diaper in the gutter, opened their businesses, bought some Zinc to strengthen their
immune system, well, we wouldn’t be where we are: gutless, fearful, frightened, compliant
fools. (Thank you for this excellent article/research, Daisy.)
You are correct on all points, this is about Fear & control, depopulation. They cause millions to lose thier jobs, & offer them $25 per hour to be a guinia pig for these vaccines how insidiously evil. I see so much fear in peoples eyes ad they have completely believed this scamdemic lie.
Dear Carol, right on! Unfortunately, the largest chunk of the population seems determined to make us ALL march to their demented drumbeat. I pray often that I will be shown the way to resist this evil plan without getting thrown in jail where I will be helpless to avoid any and all DNA altering experiments.
“the largest chunk of the population seems determined to make us ALL march to their demented drumbeat”
1) they’re not the largest chunk, not by a long shot
2) they’re determined to harass others into making us (do whatever) – they won’t lift a finger to do the work themselves. long story short they can’t do anything unless we do it for them.
I’m convinced that this vaccine should be made mandatory-I and my family will definitely take it asap it’s availalbe…I knew Tony Fauci, from back in the early 80’s- n trust him. And, imo All the anectdotale stuuf re “vacinations side effects”, from my 40yrs in medicine…including 14 years in the NAV are 99% bullshit…
curious on 2 points. First what reports have you been reading on the “vacinations side effects”? Even the reports from the drug companies DO list some of the side effects. I find it hard to believe that any medicine is 100% side effect free for 100% of the population.
Second point – As a practicing physician for 40 years isn’t it a bit strange that you do not know how to spell “acectdotale” correctly?
I pray to God (with a capital G) that you look at the responses above your text, and below, and reconsider your position. Look at the ‘follow the money’ comments (which I agree with) and the factual basis of the many other ones and have the courage to rethink your position. What is your reply to the FACT that mRNA ‘vaccines’ have never been used before? I’ll patiently wait for your response. Do you rely only on emotion? The good old boys club? Looking forward to your response. I’ll assume, if no reply, you are full of bullshit…
Waiting for facts…only.
You want to take it, Mr. Know It All, then take it. But don’t you dare say I have to take it. Know It All’s comment has zero credibility. This authoritarian shill and jerk is probably paid by Pfizer or Moderna to try to shove this kind of propaganda down our throats. It’s the arrogance and totalitarianism of his comment that says it all. What a disgusting know it all.
I recently saw Dr. Fauci speaking to a reporter giving his mask speech which I’ll quote here:
“When you wear mask, you’re saving lives;
When you wear a mask, you’re protecting your family;
When you wear a mask, you show others that you care…”.
The reporter, gazing at him in slackjawed wonder then profusely thanked Fauci for his pearls wisdom and walked away. Fauci then tossed his lapel microphone onto the podium, removed his mask and walked away. Guess he forgot to tell the reporter:
“When you wear a mask, you do as I say, not as I do.
I suppose–in light of the recent antics of various governors, mayors and municipal officials–the mask is only for the proletariat, not for Party Leaders…
“All the anectdotale stuuf re “vacinations side effects”, from my 40yrs in medicine…including 14 years in the NAV are 99%”
Never. Especially if it’s mandated. They want a total population 500 million. Check Deagle for the economic and population estimates for 2025. This is the method chosen to achieve these results. Refuse!>>>>
I actually don’t consider myself a total ANTI-VAXXER, although I’ve gladly joined the Tinfoil Hat Club so they can call me wtf they will. Let me say I’m glad I’m retiring just in time from medical in the CA prison system and won’t be facing the Mandated Vaccine decision in the very near future! I’ve taken the Measles/MMR & Tetanus shots when I began the RN program in 1998, and took the Hep A & B series when in transfered to the prison system in 2004. I always took the flu shot free at work until like 2005 or 06 when Pres Bush asked those who were fit enough under 50 to decline due to shortages. I didn’t take 1 again until 2018 when they said I’d have to always wear a mask at work if I didn’t. The flu shot never really seemed to help anyways & now I’m so pumped w/vitamins & natural remedies (ELDERBERRIES!!!) that I’m really not interested in any vaccines.
And now I know about DARPA Bill Gates GAVI Gain of Function research Big Pharma & Gov conflict of interests I could go on. I read on ZH last wk that the mRNA vaccines literally “highjack” your immune cells, plus the potential for a remote mRNA-DARPA kill switch and I say a big NO THANKS. Search “The Injection Fraud” to begin the fun journey down the rabbit hole. I’d still like to attend the occasional casino concert in Reno, and dream of attending a F1 wknd down in Texas, and I’ve been required to take so many COVID1984 tests that I’ll even do that for entry, but as for any COVID1984 vaccines as a requirement for entry HELL TO THE FUCKING NO!!!
I love how you call it Covid1984. But be careful of the tests too!! They may be already or in the future secretly implanting vaccines.
Anthony, NTEB much?
As a person with multiple autoimmune conditions, you would think I would take such a risk to get this stupid shot. I will NOT take it. With my autoimmune system jacked up, why would I take a chance on revving it up even further. People with autoimmune conditions are not supposed to take elderberry or echinacea for the reasons it messes with your autoimmune system. And this shot would help? Nope, ain’t buying it. I can’t even take the flu shot without it doing damage! The shot has not been tested on individuals with autoimmune conditions or young children.
1: Who cares about traveling anywhere anymore? After seeing how fast things can go from normal to everything shutdown I think many people are not going to be spending any money on un needed travel with money they do not have. 2: Stimulus checks. In the next rescue package there apparently is NOT going to be another stimulus check so that is not going to be an incentive to get the shot. 3: I expect COVID will change as 2021 goes on so whatever the vaccine is now, it will be just about useless going into 2022 and not do anything for anyone. 4: Going into stores, bars, restaurants, etc: Simple solution, don’t go. eventually those requiring proof of vaccine will close or get the message and stop being such nervous nellies; same goes for any company.
I HAVE HAD NO VACCINATIONS SINCE CHILDHOOD !!! NOT NECESSARY EXCEPT THE PNUEMONIA VACCINE WHICH I GOT 2013 .I KEEP UP ON MY HEALTH EAT ONLY GRASSFED MEAT & 95 % ORGANIC PRODUCE PLUS TAKE VITAMINS TO KEEP MY IMUNE SYSTEM IN TIP TOP SHAPE !!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE NOT BEEN SICK ACCEPT ONCE IN THE LAST 30+ YEARS . SOO I WILL NOT BE INJECTED W/POISON TO ???FIGHT OR PROTECT AGAINST COVID !!!!!!!!! BESIDES I DONT NEED A CHIP TO CONTROL ME REMOTELY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?????????????
THIS COVID -19 CRAP HAS GOTTEN OUT OF HAND&THE GOVT HAS USED THE SITUATION FOR C O N T R O L OF POPULACE THE M A S K S ARE BULLSHIT& WORTHLESS THEY ARE TRAINING POPULATION AS D O G S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A S S HO L E S GOVT
This time, they are using “the situation” to outright KILL us. Will it work? Yes. People don’t want to be inconvenienced. Spoiled brats. It will kill them. What they take the shot to avoid, won’t do them any good when they drop dead. That’s reality.
WOW! after reading your article and then the comments below, I’m with the majority here – NO COVID FOR ME! I’m in my 70s, like some have autoimmune, but there’s no way I will willing get this poison!!! even for 1500.00 – what little life I have left, I will live it MY WAY, not the govt’s! if it becomes mandatory, they restrict my movement, any part of my life, then I will die my own way and meet my maker whole! I’m very intuitive, and have mostly followed my gut feeling (when I havent I’ve regretted it); my gut has and is still telling me this is EVIL, all the way. one reason they are giving it to older folks first – their life is short anyway – use them for the guinea pigs – see what the long term side effects will be. it should not be given to children! I dont like the ingredients, it is all chemicals and when they are put in your body there is hell to pay! why did we as children have to take all those vaccines, measles, mumps, polio etc….they are back anyway!!!! and those who had the shots – are still getting the chicken pox, measles, whooping cough etc.
NOPE, not me…this virus has been rigged from the beginning, to cull out world people, and it will continue to do so in the vaccine. they’re messing with people’s DNA and when that happens, no good comes from it! think long and hard about this one, and there will be more to come, guaranteed; china isnt done with us yet……
NO, I will not be taking the vax for COV or, any other vax. Medically, I can’t. I can’t even receive a blood transfusion from someone with the same blood type as I have or, from a universal donor, without my body/system going into total WAR with the incoming foreign blood/DNA. Have had 2 major surgeries where I would have needed a blood transfusion but, due to how my system reacts/fights, they had to both times, pull the needles after just a few minutes. That also instantly ended my days of being a blood donor. I asked for tests to find out why I couldn’t receive blood but, never got an answer…
I’ve had only one vaccine in my life and that was when I was around 8 yrs. old. (I’m 60 now) due to my adopted parents wanted to go to Mexico on vacation and I’d never up until that point had any vaccinations. I got the smallpox vax and landed in the ICU for the next 4 days, fighting for my life. Once they removed the small metal cap they used to put over where they’d administered the vax, there was suppose to be a scar, there wasn’t. My body had neutralized/killed the vax. Only shots/vax I’ve had after that have been tetanus shots every 10 or so years since I’ve worked in animal rescue and getting bitten or scratched, is more common than not… No problem with those.
I have a highly functional immune system, which I will NOT risk compromising at any cost! I’ve never had any of the childhood illnesses such as chickenpox, mumps, measles, whopping cough etc. etc. Even though way back then, our parents would send us down the street to whatever kid had these illnesses, just so we would get them and become immune. I never got them… I’ve never had the flu and last time I had a cold/sniffles was over 15 yrs. ago so…. NO, NO and H*LL NO, will I ever submit to taking any vax, especially one that goes in and alters my DNA. If forced, I might as well go home and “take myself out”, before having to deal with the aftermath I KNOW it will cause in my system…
As for “inconvenience” and not being able to do this or that in society…I already live off grid, am self sufficient and have very little interaction with society so, no big change there.
Which ever choice others make, is up to them… Question in my mind, if they take the vax, will they become contagious to us that won’t take the vax???
YES. The vaccine is a bioweapon full of past plagues. Super contagious. Stay away from them. The vaccine does not help either of you. It is deadly, by design.
I won’t be taking it either, and neither will any one in my family. I’m not an anti-vaxxer though. My kids got their shots when they were supposed to and none of them ever even had a slight fever.
Me…..that was a different story. My mother didn’t believe in shots, so I didn’t get any and then I had to have them to go to school. Our doc at the time, in his “wisdom” gave me all the shots at once, so he could sign off on the papers. For the next 4 years I got everything in the book. German Measles, Mumps, Whooping Cough, Scarlet Fever….colds and flus galore….I had pneumonia twice, once so bad I had to go to the hospital. Only thing I never got was Chicken Pox…and I was exposed many times and so were my kids, and they never got it either, must have some kind of immunity from me I guess. Anyways.
Like you Solani, we’re pretty self sufficient….only really need to go to the stores once a month. Def not going to take a vaccine that hasn’t gone through trials of any kind really, and def not one that can change your DNA in any way shape or form.
There was a radio personality (I haven’t listened to him for years) who used to say “Follow the money.”
The CDC and Dr. Fauci get much of their money directly from big pharma. The vaccine is a cash cow. So naturally Dr. Fauci and the CDC will be doing all they can to get as many people vaccinated as possible.
Meanwhile frontline doctors who can are treating Covid-19 with an inexpensive regimen that when properly administered gives a near 100% success rate. But because Dr. Fauci, CDC and big pharma get no profits from that treatment, it has been banned in many places. Follow the money.
What about those who’ve already had Covid-19? Supposedly they’re already immune. The vaccine then is more dangerous to them than not getting vaccinated. Will they be forced to get vaccinated?
Covid-19 is already mutating, so this year’s shots won’t work next year. That’s not answering the question of whether of not they work this year.
I studied genetics at the university. Injecting mRNA or DNA is no different than injecting oneself with a disease causing virus.
So no, I have no intention of taking the vaccine.
Follow the money.
Spread this far and wide –
From the FDA:
“DRAFT Working list of possible adverse event outcomes” for C0VlD-19 vaccines include:
Paralysis (GBS, transverse myelitis), seizures, stroke, inflammation of the heat muscle (myocarditis) or heart attack (acute myocardial infarction), autoimmune disease and other severe adverse events such as vaccine enhanced disease (antibody dependent enhancement), and death.”
It is my understanding that at this time the forthcoming covid-19 vaccines have not been approved for children. Therefore they will not be required for school because children cannot take them. I agree School vaccinations may become a more stringent requirement in the future, but for this particular article at this particular date it might be worthwhile to have someone fact- check this particular point. It would weaken the other examples in arguments in this article to have something untrue. 🙂
I am not for getting this vaccine for a few reasons….
1. There has been no long term testing on people or animals to know the full side affects and we are not being given all the information on it for me to be comfortable with it. I am not full anti-vaxxer, but this vaccine sends up red flags.
2. I have a couple auto-ammune diseases that this could cause big problems with…..I could have major side affects….
3. I have had COVID already. Why should I now need to get the vaccine? Don’t I supposedly now have the antibodies to fight it now? This is something that has not been brought up at all via the vaccine companies, media or anywhere that I have knowledge of…. If anyone knows the answer to this question, I would be interested in knowing…..
Excellant points. The one i wiegh most damming. is the drug companies immunity to liable r prosecution for injury. Let pray they do not force this like otherc tryanical countries, dragging people out of their homes.
I for one have never believed the numbers of deaths to add up. Flu and other diseases are being termed as CV19 deaths. You don’t have to have the virus. Just die from something else and that virus will be what killed you. Money is involved in this. Someone is being paid to lie about the number of deaths from Corvid. This vaccine is in my book not to be trusted. Unborn babies will suffer in some way. I still remember in my mother’s day, a vaccine that women took and I can’t remember what it was but children were being born with severe defects because of it. I fear for my grandchildren. 2 are married and one about to get married. What will it do to them when they are ready to have children. Will they be able to get pregnant or will those babies have severe defects?
I have an auto immune issue as well as my husband. Thyroid disease as well. We are both on thyroid meds. How will this effect us. I am not going to comply and I live in VA. So this will be a huge mess for us. Not sure what we will do, but one thing is for sure. We will not comply.
Nancy Pilose said she will not get this vaccine under a Trump administration. I am still praying Trump will come out of this for a second term. He may not know what is really going on with this vaccine. So if Trump wins a second term after all the mess comes out about the fraud. I want to see Nancy Pilose get this vaccine by force if need be. Then we can just watch that clown on fake news.
Does the prefix to the mark of the beast ring any bells? Just wondering if by what they are going to do to control us or force us to get this vaccine by not being able to travel, work, go to a store or whatever they are trying to do. YES, the Bible does state unless you take the mark of the beast, you cannot buy nor sell. Again does this ring any bells? I don’t think this vaccine is the mark of the beast but is leading up to it by way of how we react to taking it. The next step may very well be ok we got them to take this so they can be free to do what they want, travel, attend a football game, go to a restaurant, or whatever. They have you right where they want you. What are your thoughts on this? Does it sound like to anyone that it is leading up to the true mark of the beast. I for one will be reading my Bible and doing a lot of praying about this hoping the answer from the Lord will come quick.
I will not be getting the vaccine. Don’t need it. I had the CCP corona virus in late October (confirmed with a test and expected symptoms). I have immunity now.
My suspicion is that the vaccination programs are largely a pretext to bring in ID cards, which governments have desired for decades.
Watch as the ID cards become a precondition of having the vaccine, and are then swiftly replaced with a more sophisticated version.
That is then purposed for broader uses.
Like buying and selling.
I do NOT plan on getting the shots! I’m 80 years old. I think I have had about ALL of the viruses available out there over my number of years!! Thanks, but, NO THANKS!
No, I have no intention of taking this medication. I don’t take flu shots or any non essential medications now. The government can keep their $1500 (which comes from us anyway). And as much as I’d love to travel again, if vaccines were required to get on planes, I’d skip the planes. Based upon the above, not only is this a potentially dangerous vaccine, but it needs to be taken annually. Nope.
(PS, I’m a ‘no’)
_”Can the government force people to take the vaccine? Actually yes”_
Can the people blow the brains out of anyone who forcibly tries to stick a needle in them? Actually YES.
Because GUNS. Thank God!
“I’m personally against mandating any type of medical care or procedures. If we don’t control what goes into our own bodies, how can we consider ourselves free human beings?”
Objectively, we don’t control what goes into our own bodies. We breathe air that has been polluted with things we didn’t choose to put there, we eat food that contains all sorts of things we aren’t being told sufficiently about, and we drink water that may well be contaminated (remember Flint?) I personally don’t think that a mandated vaccine would make any significant difference to the status quo. In fact, I think all the controversy about vaccines is to distract people from looking into the far more significant dangers from pollution and chemicals in our food.
If you do not plan on taking a vaccine then it is time to prep harder, get rid of all the debt you can, link up with like minded people for mutual support and prepare for the demonization sure to come.
I’ve just known in my gut that this has something to do with a globalist depopulation agenda. They always say these globalist types foreshadow things in media, and I’ve seen the mass infertility under the guise of vaccination in a TV show.
Think about it – there has not even been enough time elapsed to test this on someone who would get pregnant and carry a child full term, plus they would never test on a pregnant person for ethical reasons.
Today I see this:
I’m no MD, but if someone out there is and can comment on the above article that would be great.
Actually you are wrong on a couple points of this excellent post. Firstly, the Jacobson v massachusetts case is often used as evidence that a government can force a vaccine. Not true, I’ve interviewed several Constitutional experts on this case and it says no such thing. Read it please.
Secondly, the Fourth Amendments is quite clear on American’s being secure in their Persons, and a religious exemption can be easily had. And anyone trying to force one to engage in a “medical experiment” and make no mistake this vaccine is.
Manufactures have no liability and these things have not been double blind, placebo controlled tested over the mandatory years…it is an experiment and medical experiments foisted on people violate The Nuremberg Code,.
I sincerely believe this is more about control than a virus, sure there is a virus, viirus’s have been around since the dawn of man. They have used a form of mass hysteria to induce fear that it is ad deadly as ebolia somehow a 104 yr vet survives it. The common denominator used by tyranical communist countrys have been fear & social control. Why are they all the news media in. lockstep ,with lockdown, & inducing fear, Fear is a weapon of mass manipulation, as is social shaming of those who question the predcribed narrative.
As the mother of an autistic child, no vaccines in this house ever again!
I love reading all the comments as much as the articles such a diverse range of opinions.
My parents both have auto immunity issues due to the medication they are on.
Both have stated they are not taking it.
For me, my biggest concern isn’t myself it’s my kids, they both have extreme reactions to vaccinations and just trying to get a Vax into them , well good luck to you. It took 4 doctor’s plus me to get one of my kids to have a covid19 test. And one had a blood nose and a bruise or too to show for it.
I wonder how these vaccines react to people with special needs, especially those with different chromosome issues, are they represented in the testing groups? My children are my world and Id like to see more research done on the vaccinations and I believe its my duty of care as a parent to make the best choices I can for my children. Our news is showing stories of how the UK got the vaccine and how we’ll have to wait for until next year . Poor us! My preference is to wait and see what the UK mass vaccination result hold.
Fuck you and your interpretation that it is law. Those are “rules” for you peasants that consider yourself part of the USA, Inc. I am not part of the corporation because I do not participate in their system or use system tools whenever possible. You morons write these articles for recognition, hits and a source of income. Good for you.
What you should be preaching is uncivil disobediance. What will your tyrants have in store for you after the vaccine? The premise of this article is ridiculous for us true patriots. We do not consent nor do I accept this articles attempt to leave you feeling without recourse. This site is a negative entity. Leave it now and find ways to resist and stay positive.
mRNA vaccines have NEVER been tried before,nor have long term tests,(5-10 years) been done to know what long term ramifications or harms will occur.Therefore,this vaccine is an experiment and is in violation of the Nuremberg Code and the Geneva Convention.If they force this experimental vaccine on people,they will be in violation of right to consent laws as well.The entire planet must reject this experimental vaccine en masse.
Has anyone heard of the ‘Great Reset’?
While not Jewish myself, I know a lot of Jewish people. Knowing what happened to the Jewish people during the Holocaust — the medical experimentation, etc. — should make everyone refused forced medical procedures of any kind. Beyond the Holocaust, think Tuskegee Airmen who were given syphilis and not treated for it. This is unconscionable! Also, from personal history, it takes about 10 years for a cancerous tumor to develop to a size for a person to know something is wrong that needs to be dealt with. My mother and I both developed endometrial cancer at the same time. This is something that is extremely unheard of statistically. What did we do together 10 years earlier? We went to the local pharmacy and got our pneumonia vaccine shots. I will never willingly take another vaccine again in my life. If we don’t fight for our rights now, we may lose them forever. Don’t just fight for you. Fight for your family, your neighbors, your community, etc., to have genuine biological freedom. Without it, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. God didn’t create me to be a lab rat.
This will get alot of people killed.
No means no and I am willing to die on this hill!
I was a RN for over thirty years. Always tended to stay away from vaccines, but did take hepatitis vaccines in the 90s. In 2005 after a divorce, I had a close friend who also was a RN who came down with ALS. At the same time my step father had ALS. Why two close people had it at the same time? In nursing school they said ALS is so rare as being struck by lightning I did some research and came some references to a possible Flu vaccine connection. Both took flu vaccines. Since then I tried to pass on vaccines due to patients to the next shift etc. In 2013 I was only one of four people on my unit wearing masks because we refused flu vaccine. The hospital wanted to terminate us because the hospital system did not receive full reimbursement from medicare if not a certain percentage of staff not immunized. I left nursing in large part because of vaccines. I view vaccines as highly toxic with all the adjuvants in them. Illness is in large part due to toxicity and lack of nutrition, among other things. When It comes to this Covid Vaccine they could shove it where the sun does not shine!!!!!!!!!!
What about the fact that this and all viruses mutate? So called experts in the news have already said that having covid19 doesn’t guarantee immunity even 3 months down the road.. Is the vaccine going to give permanent immunity? How long will it last and will/is covid19 drift/mutation already making these vaccines not yet approved useless? No, I don’t plan on taking it.
HELL NO !!!!!
Re. Jacobson v. Massachusetts–this decision did not actually result in Jacobson being forced to receive a vaccine. He chose NOT to receive it in any case, and simply paid a fine for refusing it.
You won’t see this reported most places, but the stage 3 trials are to continue for two more years!
And they want us to be guinea pigs now?
Uh NO!!! — Not gonna happen.
The last ‘vaccine’ I received was the polio sugar cube. And that was in the 1950’s.
I’m one of a small handful of conservative, independent, Catholic teachers in a local high school. The level of fear I see in my colleagues is off the charts. I wear the mask because I have to when students are in my room. Thankfully we do not have a union (we are the oldest privately run public academy in the country).
No one does their own research. They all follow the lame stream media reports, literally sheeple doing what they are told.
I control what goes in my body and being a former body builder I’m very much in tune with my body and what is best for it. Natural, organic, homegrown, homemade meals, wholesome supplements.
There is no way in hell I will allow a vaccine that has not been properly vetted to be injected in my body. The “mark of the beast” is exactly what I believe this vaccine is. With reports of its ingredients including aborted stem cell lines, it is directly from Satan.
No thank you.
One positive thing about being old is, life in prison is not the punishment it would be for the younger set.
That said, I have been stocking up on CuPb pills of various potency ratings. These work quite well when administered through a mask and a single dose is usually sufficient.
If enough patriots are willing to administer a sufficient number of doses the plandemic will subside rather quickly.
If illegals can run rampant here, and they do.
If they can vote, and they do.
Then it shouldn’t be too hard to get some fake credentials.
This is a huge opportunity for the savvy investor.
the illegals run rampant because the agencies that should pursue and remove them are subverted and prevented from doing so. these agencies will however be fully enabled to pursue anyone who resists.
I read somewhere that if you consent to wear a mask even if you don’t want to, you’ll get the vaccine. Think about it. The slippery slope gets slippier by the day.
Hello, so what if you already had the ronna and ya got immunity’s already built up against it??????
i recently had the virus and had little or no symptoms. I have been naturally made immune to the virus and have no need for the vaccine. Yes, they say they don’t know how long or if you can become immune. What if they are wrong and they just want to make money and rule your life? This worldwide lockdown against freedom must stop. We are become a nation and world of slaves to government. It is better to die free than in chains begging for food.
In 1959 or so my entire elementary school was lined up and given sugar cubes with a little red dot on them. We learned later that the sugar cubes were polio vaccinations.
Well, that “vaccination” had to pass through the gut. I have received no other vaccination other than that sugar cube. I did not vaccinate any of my children; they age from 35 to 47.
None of my kids ever missed a day of school and, other than daughter’s female problems and an occasional cold, they have never been sick.
If one takes a look at publicly available information one finds that ALL the once terrible childhood diseases were pretty much eliminated BEFORE the vaccine for that particular disease was available to the public.
What stopped these evil diseases was, in my opinion, better nutrition, better sanitation, and refrigeration. All these things happened throughout the (civilized) world right after WW2.
Vaccinations have little if anything to do with eliminating disease.
Have you heard the new name for polio? There’s a new name because the powers that be insist that polio has been eradicated. It’s now called acute flaccid myelitis, and it affects about the same percentage of the population that polio once did.
How about that new hexavalent vaccine that “protects” against diphtheria, tetanus, acellular pertussis, Haemophilus influenzae type B, poliovirus and hepatitis B (DTaP-Hib-IPV-HepB) in one injection? Only killed 32 children during its trials.
My body, my choice, period.
I wonder if they will test you for antibodies before giving you the shots? No point in giving you the shots if you have the antibodies, right? If they don’t test for antibodies first, then may we assume their purpose is nefarious?
They won’t test for the same reason that they didn’t run actual longterm studies to prove that the vaccine is safe. That 90/95% effective they keep repeating on TV is the result of of a few days monitoring, which doesn’t prove that it effectively stops people from ever catching Corona. Don’t forget that the vaccine companies asked for removing responsability for the side effects from them. They know there’s a high chance of being sued if the vaccine has side effects or doesn’t work and they don’t want to deal with the backlash.
From a Steve Quayle link:
UN, WHO, Obamacare documentation makes it legal to behead vaccine refusers –
Google ICD-9 and ICD9 E978
Bible Prophecy Update – J D Farag – July 5th, 2020 – YouTube – Invitation ABC’s at 1.02.00 ff – 1.09.00 min
I see a black market for fake vaccine certs opening up. I for one will not take it but isn’t that what freedom is?
2 Thess 2:11 Can this be the deception. Fear of man, brings a snare
They say that they won’t force it on people while they keep talking about how they plan to influence people to get it. “We’re not gonna force it on you but we’re going to spend billions on propaganda, refuse to give you services if you don’t get it, create benefits and money to the ones that do, fight the ones that are skeptical about the vaccine and fight the anti-vaxxers as well.”
But you won’t be forced, mind you.
Your comment regarding “U.S. Supreme Court case in 1905 called Jacobson v. Massachusetts” is incorrect. Jacobson did not receive the vaccine. He paid a $5.00 fine instead.
I am really afraid, stuck in Hawaii, almost a police state, surrounded by sheeple. I will not take this vaccine, but knowing our leaders, they will want to micromanage everything and make it mandatory. And,on top of that, the people are begging for tyranny! I have long since stopped trying to talk about it cause they call me paranoid and say I’m a conspiracy theorist.
My boys and I are looking to leave for Alaska as soon as we’ve saved enough money. I’ve had it with all the BS
re: Jacobson v. Massachusetts
Please read the rest of the judgment; it wasn’t mandatory because he was fined $5 to skip the shot.
It ridiculous to prioritize those in long term care facilities as first in line for the vaccine. Workers yes, residents no. You want to stop measures to protect public health then a) wear a mask, b) stay home as much as possible, c) vaccinate the general population – aka workers, children (when vaccine is deemed safe for them). There is no long term benefit vaccinating those in a vegetative state, those with dementia/Alzheimer’s, those who are terminally ill. Based on my personal situation, 90% of those residing in my county and 90% of those residing in my state will get the vaccine before I do. Nix the nursing home residents and might lower that to 80%. My Dad will get the vaccine but cold day in hell my Mom will. Her medical condition precludes it but most important, her family will abide by her directive – written and verbal.
I have heard very bad things about this vaccine , even to the point it could very well be a way the Government can control citizens good or bad…we see some of that even now with the quarantines that are in strict place here in California, most shops closed, absolutely no shops open, not even hairdressers, barbers and nail salons! what the freak?? I know we must comply with the orders given to masks up, wash up, and 6 ft apart from each other, but to take away peoples right to earn a living???Something is seriously wrong wrong wrong here and honestly, I cant help wondering if our very own government is the one to see how long we can go on without MONEY, WORK, FOOD, just simple living essentials. Something just doesnt seem right with all of this, it feels as if we are getting more and more dependent on our Government than our own selves and I don’t like it. For that reason I will not take the shot.
The Vaccine Act of 1986 had many many known vaccine “harms” listed, for automatic payment to any vaccine-harmed victims. Get any of those problems after vaccination, get automatically paid. Then the Vaccine companies lobbied to “vacate” that list, as it made their vaccines sound too unsafe. So today it is VERY hard to prove vaccination-caused harm, but even so the government pays out about $4 Billion a year for this anyway. And this is for vaccines with 10-20 years testing and refining the process. If 7.8 Trillion people are mandated to get a vaccine, and it is SO GOOD that it only has a 0.1% harm rate (that’s very good nowdays, for only 0.1% vaccinated to be hospitalized for complications, and not likely for a rush job), then 7.8 Billion people would still be hospitalized with bad reactions. Or, it will most likely be far worse. Move along people, nothing to see here.
No, I’m NOT getting it. “My body, my choice”… remember that phrase used by the leftist feminists?
you’re forgetting that in their minds everything works for them and not for anyone else. imitating their owners’ morality (that they’re human and everyone else is not) they’ll chant “my body my choice” all day long but never agree that this applies to you in any way, any more than you would accept such an attitude from your farm animal.
Are things, far worse than death. people need to settle this in their minds now,, they may have only one choice, death or enslavement, make your peace with God now before you have no time. Time for games is long past, we stand on the edge of an abyss, no place of safe refuge except in Jesus.
2020 will feel like a stroll in the park if the elite get their wish, with vaccine that will rewrite your DNA code, & turn you into a mindless slave controlled by A.I. It is insidiously evil. Mark 8″37 What shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Wth? did people become categorized as livestock to be vaccinated, culled & managed, no one should be forced against their will to have some toxic unknown chemical injected in their veins, that is tyranny reminiscent of NAZI Germany’s Joseph Mengele, To those who are terrified sheep, who believe everything gate, Faucci & WHO say, take your vaccination & wear your mask.if it is effective, than you have nothing to fear.I refuse to submit to mass mob rule hysteria that want to herd the rest off us off the cliff with you.
Not interested at all.. WHY do they want you take a shot??? COVID… B.S. Puzzle pieces, Covid to stop people from voteing in Nov. A avalanche of mail in ballotts apperaed. Stolen election. Now jobs, food stores are all in dire straights. Food pantrys are in dire starights. We are being Played…Wake up.
For me, it basically comes down to TRUST.
Do I trust what we’re being told?
Do I trust the people telling us?
Do I trust the companies manufacturing the vaccine?
Do I trust our government officials?
Do I trust the vaccine to be innocuous?
Do I trust my instinct and right to invoke my FREE WILL?
That pretty much sums it up.
The thing is that if you feel or are put into fear by their propaganda being UNprotected by taking the vaccination so be it. So if people do not want this poisonous vaccine they apparently will not be protected and that is fine, its their choice.!!
But the unvaccinated are no threat to the vaccinated as they presumably can not be infected.
The unvaccinated people accept that they might be infected by other deniers and have illness or even dye if they do. But it is their choice and are NOT a danger to the vaccinated!!!!
“The court said: “The rights of the individual may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint to be enforced by reasonable regulations as the safety of the general public may demand.””
However, we have a Constitutional right to “life and liberty.” They cannot make you do something that is likely to hurt you. This will likely go to higher courts for a decision because, once they can mandate vaccinations, they can mandate chipping and other measures for “the public good.” It’s a slippery slope, particularly as vaccines do not have a great record of success.
The key to vaccines is that some diseases are fairly standalone and so unique that a vaccine can be very specific. For other diseases, they have not been so successful. One side effect might be pathogen priming, making people more susceptible to the wild virus. Another is the effect that one vaccine might actually suppress the immune system and make people more susceptible to other diseases.
The current C-19 vaccines simply cannot be specific for a virus that has never been isolated and cultured. They are working from a published DNA sequence with no evidence that this is a virus that makes people ill. Many of the proteins are homologous with human proteins which means they are tampering with the body’s autoimmune system. This is just wrong.
no interest whatsoever in taking the vaccine
If there’s anyone that doesn’t want to BACK DOWN from STABBING me with a VIRUS (‘scuze me, I meant to say, “Vaccine”), they gonna get STABBED with something else…
Medical professionals these days are no more trustworthy than used car salespersons; heck, prolly trust the used car salespersons MORE, and I STILL would NEVER purchase a used vehicle, so what do you think I think of medical professionals?!
This is the hill I’m willing to die on.
I mean, if I’m going to die one way or another, might as well go down fighting…
I haven’t been regaled with every dystopian government or post-apocalyptic scenario for nothing….
Hey, if the world’s ending, I am going to ENJOY myself, y’know what I mean?
Looking at this now, almost a year later, and we can see the horror that many warned about.
I pray God every day that His will be done, yet there are days I feel worried.
We’re a nation under judgment, and too many people are bending the knee to the gods of this world.