Selco: You Know the SHTF Has Started When People Begin To Lose Their Guns

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People always want to know how they can tell when the SHTF is coming. When people lose their guns, that’s a good sign it is on its way. The SHTF you get is not always the one you expect. A lot of SHTFs that aren’t natural disasters have something in common. It is a way you can tell that things are getting worse.

The SHTF everyone expects

We are conditioned to think that an SHTF event is going to be something flashy and surprising, in a way that it is going to be a moment in time when you can recall the day and the hour.  People think that it will make a strict and sharp cornerstone between normal everyday life, and SHTF time.

Most believe that all of us will be sure and will know that SHTF has started and that we have to go into SHTF mode or survival mode. Most expect it to be like it was for me when things became chaotic. (If you want to learn what those days were really like, click here.)

It might happen like that with some catastrophic event like EMP, a terrorist attack or whatever.

So let’s say the event goes like this timeline:

  • Day 1: EMP happens
  • Day 3: You realize that the system simply does not have enough power to hold society together. There’s riots, looting, absence of law and order…
  • Day 7: Everyone realizes it is full-out SHTF time, and it is gonna last for a long time…

This is a very simplified example of an SHTF event, and since you are a prepper you should realize and recognize that S did hit the fan on day 1. You should start then to work in survival mode, whatever plan you have (to bug out, bug in, make preparations for it or whatever).

But it’s not always like that.

Here is another example of SHTF:

  • Day 1: A law has been voted that all citizens with criminal records or problems with the law need to register their weapon.
  • Day 33: You realize that “criminal records” for a citizen who owns a weapon (or wants to own a weapon) include not agreeing with official government policies on public networks. So for example, if you trash government policies on Facebook you are being tracked as a weapon owner.
  • Day 67: You as a weapon owner are suddenly being restricted what kind of weapon and how much ammo you can buy for that weapon.
  • Day 166: A law is voted that local authority may go into your house in any moment, to check for your weapons and ammo, and check where and why you spent that ammo (if you did).
  • Day 245: After months of civil unrest and bad economic situations, great divisions in your society for whatever reason (politics, immigrants, unemployment) the government proclaims that in “the name of law and order” they are confiscating all weapons owned by private citizens.

End of story. You are disarmed.


Why this is important

Now, three things here are important.

1) This scenario above is fictional.

Do not get over-involved emotionally with your personal settings in a way that you’ll say in anger “It cannot happen here!” If you do, you are missing the point.

2) Think about it.

After you look it as a fictional, I can say that something very similar happened here in my case, and in many other cases around the world. And there are signs something similar might happen there.

3) How?

Well, if you go back and read this fictional 245 days scenario and still think “it cannot happen,” you need to realize how it can. Maybe from day one you and everybody else like you will be portrayed through the media, and bombarded with information that you and your weapon present an extreme danger to law-abiding folks. They will say that you are not a “normal part of society”, that “guns kill our kids” etc.

After months of media bombardment with that kind of disinformation, your own neighbor will look at you like you are terrorist, because your car bumper sticker “I Love Glock”.

When the time comes, you’ll simply be an outlaw, strange kind of person who is so different and scary. After all, aren’t you already  “weird” because you are a prepper?

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Rights are not permanent things.

If you say “ I’ll defend my right to carry” then good luck with that. Because your right could be stripped down and taken away by the majority of people, and that opinion is being so carefully implanted in them right now by the media.

You are gonna be run over by an armored police car trashing your house, because you are defending your right to own a weapon, and the police are gonna be celebrated as heroes.

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Do not underestimate public opinion and power of media in forming those opinions. It is only a matter what kind of public opinion needs to be formed.

One day, you are a freedom-loving man who defends his constitutional and God-given right. The next day you are a terrorist who does not deserve any kind of sympathy.

What is the solution?

Since you are a prepper you are probably already used to the fact that you are a minority. You probably do not easily talk about your preps or try to convince other people to prep, also.

It is similar here. Do not try too much to change other people’s opinions about gun control. It makes more sense to hide your own opinion and play by your own rules.

Regardless of how you believe it should be, the system will make it possible to take weapons from you, through their careful and smart game.

I would not want to have my weapons registered or traceable.  There are always ways that some people manage to have a weapon and not be tracked.  It would be easier for them to hide a gun that nobody knows about.

Remember in this fictional scenario, the SHTF has actually started on day one. No, people are not being killed on the streets. The system and the law are still there. You still go to your job. Your kids go to school.

But the S has hit the fan, and you need to go to survival mode. You need to not be interesting to anybody, but you still need to own weapons.

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In my case, it did not start with war.

It started months before.

It started when authorities took legally owned guns from normal folks, all in the name of law and order and keeping the peace. And everybody agreed with it because it was the law. And people who did not agree with it were portrayed as troublemakers, warmongers, terrorists…

And every single weapon was tracked down and registered in local police stations.

It was the law.

What are your thoughts?

Could you see a gun ban or confiscation order becoming the beginning of the end? Or the spark that ignites the fire? Let us know your thoughts in the comments section.

About Selco:

Selco survived the Balkan war of the 90s in a city under siege, without electricity, running water, or food distribution. He is currently accepting students for his next physical course here.

In his online works, he gives an inside view of the reality of survival under the harshest conditions. He reviews what works and what doesn’t, tells you the hard lessons he learned, and shares how he prepares today.

He never stopped learning about survival and preparedness since the war. Regardless of what happens, chances are you will never experience extreme situations as Selco did. But you have the chance to learn from him and how he faced death for months.

Real survival is not romantic or idealistic. It is brutal, hard and unfair. Let Selco take you into that world.

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Selco survived the Balkan war of the 90s in a city under siege, without electricity, running water, or food distribution. In his online works, he gives an inside view of the reality of survival under the harshest conditions. He reviews what works and what doesn’t, tells you the hard lessons he learned, and shares how he prepares today. He never stopped learning about survival and preparedness since the war. Regardless what happens, chances are you will never experience extreme situations as Selco did. But you have the chance to learn from him and how he faced death for months. Read more of Selco's articles here. Buy his PDF books here. Take advantage of a deep and profound insight into his knowledge by signing up for his unrivaled online course. Real survival is not romantic or idealistic. It is brutal, hard and unfair. Let Selco take you into that world.

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  • Here in U.K. we have quietly been relieved of any form of self defence bar martial arts.
    It started with the Michael Ryan false flag MKUltra Hungerford massacre, which resulted in the deaths of nearly twenty innocent shoppers, followed by the banning of any pistol or automatic weapon unless a registered member of a licensed gun club.
    Next was the paedophile Hamilton’s massacre at Dunblane of many young children and teachers, leading to tightening up of the pistol laws and introducing shotgun restrictions, like limiting a Remington to 3 cartridges.
    Finally, two years ago the government quietly introduced new laws forbidding the carrying in a public place, sale or giving of any penknife deemed “a weapon”, including a 2” bladed lock knife, the type used by Boy Scouts since they were 12 years old.
    So, they’d really haven’t started on you yet. IN U.K. it was fait accompli before we knew the plan, what a false flag Agassi and before mind control became a news item.

  • I can see this trying to be played in America. BUT, The powers to be have to rid society of the Constitution and Bill Of Rights First. EMP happens . could be…..Red Flag law will not get the job done. That will just cause a huge Black Market. How is the War on Drugs working out? When will the war on drugs be won and be over?

    The people coming for the guns have to sleep and their family does to… So who is coming to the citizens house to get guns, when they better wonder who is coming to theirs…..

    I hope cooler heads prevail on gun issues… follow the Constitution and it will be alright.

    • You’re right. I equate this not only with the war on drugs, but also prohibition back in the 1920s-30s. Didn’t work out so well.

    • Suppose a law enforcement agency wanted to have a training exercise
      that was so realistic, that onlookers couldn’t tell that it was merely an
      exercise and not an actual event. Suppose they could pre-surround the
      staging area with layers of plainclothes personnel to keep well-intentioned
      private citizens from inadvertently interfering. If you were in a
      public place and a man with an AR-15 or AK-47 type rifle entered and
      began shooting, would you hang around to see whether the rifle had a
      blank adapter attached to the end of the barrel? Would you watch carefully to
      see that spent cases were actually being ejected from the rifle–to be
      certain it wasn’t a movie prop like may be used for training or would
      you simply run for your life? If you saw a total stranger lying on the
      floor near the “gunman”, would you roll that person over to examine their
      wounds and try to treat them, or run away and call for help when you
      got to safety outside? Suppose what you thought was blood seeping
      through their clothing was an exploding dye pack like used in action
      movies? What if the agency in question didn’t even tell the
      management of the public venue that they were having the training
      exercise? Suppose they never even told the media? Suppose you saw the
      alleged “relatives’ of some of those “killed” during the training exercise on
      TV news and they were crying, yet their eyes had no tears in them?
      Suppose the agency reported the “event” as if it were real…

      • Couldn’t happen here ! Hey, did you hear about that thing at the Boston marathon ? Now that was really, really, really, real scary, huh ?

    • my thought on EMP regarding the enemy/ government that they will be most probably a huge amount of it will be in the same boat as everyone else. Their equipment will not function either.
      Yes, they will have a number of vehicles that still work, military style, and will probably try to confiscate any vehicles that will function from car collectors that don’t have electronic ignitions. I would suggest if you can find an older car/ truck or other that can function with a standard points and condenser system or if you can build an engine with a standard transmission, then to it.
      I would love to find an non-california complient vehicle myself. BUT then there is the wife/XYL to content with. I do have two bycycle engines for old baloon style bikes sitting under my work bench. I think that very soon they will be installed on one of my old style peddle bikes. But my nearest town is 50 miles away. Hmmm, that’s a long way for the walking hoard. Hopefully it will be thinned out befor it gets too close.

    • That’s why they needed COVID, so they could introduce the VACCINE bioweapon and KILL OFF the gun owners in America. There was no other way, and they tried them all.

      The Constitution is now and always was a FRAUD on the American people. It allowed for the creation of the government which exists today, or at best did nothing to stop it.

      The second amendment does NOTHING, other than giving people the belief that the constitution is what gives people the right to be armed, thus government the bankers formed under it can take the right away.

  • As that prosecutor tweeted to Beto Orouke, something to the effect of, “My M-16 will be waiting for you”. AND TO THAT I ADD, “MOLON LABE”, we’ll also be waiting. Those ass hole are flirting with civil war if they try and do what that idiot Orouke has stated he’ll do if elected president.
    The democratic front runners are so stupid there isn’t a one who would be able to go up against Trump. Most have moved so far left, they are about to fall off the proverbial cliff.

    • Trump is not your friend. NOBODY in govt pays any attention to the restraints placed upon it by the Constitution INCLUDING TRUMP. (SEE WHO IS SUPPOSED TO ISSUE The budget, hint NOT the president. Unlawful FED still operating and charging us to create money (unnecessary and unlawful/treasonous) WHY ELSE WOULD HE APPOINT THE TREASONOUS ROTHSCHILD INC Bankruptcy EXEC WILBUR ROSS OR SOROS/GOLDMAN SACHS STOOGE MNUCHIN TO HIS CABINET? Or neocons like Bolton? SUPPORT RED Flag laws, decline to arrest treasonous govt officials, keep the occupation of Afghanistan where all the heroin comes from ….fueling our opiate epidemic. All trump did was persuade the right into being good little statists again after having given up on the criminal govt under Obongo. BOTH SIDES ARE FUNDED AND CONTROLLED BY THE SAME BANKS!!!!

      • No. Congress controls the purse strings per the US Constitution–they haven’t delivered a functional budget since the Obama Administration. Love it or hate it, the US Govt owes the Fed so many trillions of dollars it can’t simply break off the relationship as the Govt has NO cash of its own. If the Fed were to stop honoring checks written by the federal govt the nation would completely crash overnight. That’s not Trump’s fault–every prez since Reagan ran a deficit, and made no effort to correct the situation. The false pandemic–which Trump couldn’t have known was fake at the time–is what jacked up the deficit during his watch. Red Flag laws wouldn’t be so onerous if correctly structured so as not to violate anyone’s due process and not abused by anti-gun District Attorneys and Judges. A person who IS a demonstrable threat to him/herself or others needs to be restrained pending assessment of psychiatric condition. Had this been done the cases of Jared Loughner or Nikolas Cruz who had posted their intentions on line well in advance of their shooting sprees, a lot of lives would have been spared. Trump has recently ordered troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Your TDS is showing…

      • Remember when we thought Monopoly Money was the real phony money ? Good times, good times.

  • ????????⭐️⭐️???????? Hosea 8:7 For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk; the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up. KJV
    Meal = wheat/grain. Strangers = illegal aliens. They = socialists
    Hebrews 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. KJV
    Judgement day. Planet X Over Dorian
    It’s Wormwood that is causing all this wild weather not climate change. My opinion.
    Explanation here, starts when I mention Richard Coombs.
    A video response to Earthquake Prediction 2011 Jim Berkland – A Major Earthquake in North America Imminent
    Reminiscent of the ten plagues of Egypt. My opinion.

    • The Bible tells us what is happening today and what to expect tomorrow yet a whole lot of Christians say what’s going on “now isn’t that time”. That’s the difference between “Christians” dancing around the cross and Christians carrying the cross.

  • A minimum of 250 MILLION Innocents and Powerless were NOT MURDERED by the man with a gun or convenient terrorist, in the last century. They were SYSTEMATICALLY MURDERED by so-called Elected “LEADERS”, saying they had “Noble Intent” and “Good Will”, who began to see themselves as gods after they Registered and then CONFISCATED the “Arms” of the People, then having TOTAL POWER to do as they willed, choosing who would live and who would die.
    They began with CENSORSHIP and SURVEILLANCE of the People, INVADING their PRIVACY, then progressing to the Denigration and Weaponization of WORDS, SPEECH and RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. They used POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and PROPAGANDA to destroy TRUTH and JUSTICE, Infiltrating into the Education Systems to INDOCTRINATE the children.
    They then created FALSE ATTACKS to institute the removal of the basic RIGHTS of the People. They Demonized certain groups of People, and pitted “Differences” against each other – DIVIDING THE PEOPLE. These “LEADERS” did exactly what the DEMOCRAT PARTY, RINO’s, Mainstream Banker Media, FBI, CIA, NSA, FIVE EYES, etc. are doing today, and have done in the past 30-50 years within our Govt., and other Govts. around the world, to destroy them and mold them into their own scheme. SAME Program – SAME Results. SAME EVIL SATANIC ORIGIN.
    They now have a NEW TACTIC whereby they create MYRIAD LAWS to make everyone a Criminal, to remove their Rights of Self Defense. Then they change Laws that make it all right for them to LIE to the American People, as if this is some “Noble” act. ALL Liars are CRIMINALS and ENEMIES of the People that they SERVE. The People are not their SUBJECTS who serve them, which is what they now think and try to make the People believe.
    People are defeated when they turn from the Law of their God, or are manipulated to do so, as Baalim instructed the kings of old. Then Evil can take hold, Destroying and Corrupting the entire Society. It is called the “Demoralization of Mankind”. It is exactly what is being orchestrated in America today.
    Same as it ever was. Yet, as Generations come and go, the new are unaware of what has been, unto their demise. But even then, the powerful machine created by evil, somehow convinces People that up is down, and left is right. All having to do with turning their back on God, who would otherwise protect them and lead them to truth and discernment, for which they would not eventually be MURDERED en masse by so-called Good Willed “Common Sense””LEADERS”.
    By the Constitution and 2nd Amendment, which GOVERNS Congress and the President, NO Authority LAWFULLY exists to create ANY CODE or LAW against such. BY the PEOPLE, FOR the PEOPLE, is the LAW. BLOOD BOUGHT LAW. – Not “BY” Banker bought BS Politicians/TRAITORS.

  • Two thoughts

    In 1935, Sinclair Lewis authored his novel “It Can’t Happen Here” which forecast a fascist takeover of the US government. He was the first American to win the Nobel prize for literature, back in 1930. See the description and reviews of that book on Amazon:

    Then take a look at Jacob Hornberger’s article about how far we’ve already progressed down that road to tyranny that Selco so accurately and painfully describes — especially since the false flag operation of 9/11:


  • Lots of good points here. I spent a year in the Balkans and saw first hand what happens when a defenseless people are subject to assault by an armed enemy/army-police force. Britain has disarmed her populace and it would be very easy to force Joe Citizen into serfdom.. The British government has used the Army to subjugate rebellion in Britain itself. No reason they wouldn’t do it again. As for the US, we cannot wait for the signs that Selco has lined out. ALWAYS be prepared. NEVER count on the ‘common sense’ of our fellow citizens.

  • Actually, the S has already hit the fan in increments. Stuff that you’ve already posted somewhere may be what draws attention to you or adds you to a list. Add to that that there are commercial ways your name can wind up on a list. Purchase of an item that is targetted, Membership in an organization, being on email lists.

    This information is already available and since the Big Tech is on the opposite side of Gun owners, you can be assured that a trial run has been taken and a list begun ready for use.

    • You’re assuming we give a crap. MAYBE we’re already fed up past the point of no return and WANT the Nazi’s to out themselves on our doorstep. Can you think of a better way to identify them? And you have the advantage of knowing EXACTLY where they’re going to be when they do come. That is what I call a “prepper’s delight” !

      Use your imagination.

  • As I mentioned before, a friend of a friend’s husband who is medical personnel in a hospital did some whistleblowing on some bad practices of his fellow employees, This raised the alarm among the controlling peeps and he was seen as a troublemaker. it must’ve been his motorcycle that caused others to believe he was of a conservative leaning. So, he was reported to the police as someone who might cause trouble in the workplace. (The California Red Flag Law permits this kind of squealing.) A SWAT team descended on his home and forcibly removed all his guns. He’s suing the hospital. Hopefully he wins and gets his guns back.

    It’s possible that whistleblowing may also be a thing of the past if this guy doesn’t win.

    When corruption starts to outstrip the good and evil is entrenched in all our systems, we have SHTF. Time to go gray in every way we can think of without becoming black ourselves.

  • It’s ALREADY started – the massacres the media turns into propaganda-fests have given the powers that be fuel to get “laws” in place to start disarming the populace.
    It’s hard to argue with dead children, and these senseless tragedies are weaponized against law abiding citizens. There has been a lot of chatter that at least some of them have been staged to generate maximum public outrage… certainly the information that has been publicized in MSM and the slant of the news coverage is geared for that.
    If you don’t want to lose your weapons, I would suggest that you hide them well and report them “stolen”.
    It sucks that we have to even think like this, but the way things are going, there will be a push for full disarmament of private citizens within the next five years… less depending on who wins the 2020 election.

    • “M”, you are correct. It has already started. America has Chinese troops sitting on our borders and multiple other countries have troops there and inside the country as well. Gun control legislation is just Congressmen being bribed by these other countries to soften up the target before they attack. They’re coming up from South and Central America in quantities that even the news media can’t hide.

      • Thank God the assault weapon ban and some other bills died in congress the other day, they were 7 votes short in passing.

  • Public opinion is the battle that has to be won if America is to avoid being slaughtered by the subversive forces that have taken over media and portions of government.
    When you meet a modern snowflake that wants to disarm those who disagree with the government, ask them this question and make it personal.
    “So if you are successful in disarming all of your fellow Americans who disagree with the government, what will you do when the government comes for you and attacks your house because you disagreed with the government? Do you think there will be anyone left to keep you from being attacked for what you say or believe when gun owners are all gone?”

  • If you ever have an opportunity at a town hall meeting or similar venue with publicity and politicians who support gun control, ask them this question in front of everybody.
    “Sir/Mam, considering that the last 17 genocides by governments of the last 100 years were all preceded by gun registration and confiscation, my question to you is why do you want to slaughter the American people by disarming them? Why do you hate America so much?”

  • Day 245 is the stupid Riechstang crap all leftist do when they want (in this case) your guns or be it something else.

    Don’t fall for it. if it’s so dangerous as they say you actually NEED to be armed.

    The only solution is to create the 2nd Amendment MILITIA. What the 2nd Amendment is really about. Your governor of EACH State must make sure each required and qualified citizen has weapons and ammo to FULFILL this amendment.

    But to my knowledge, NO GOVERNOR has done that. Neither has the NRA (Nobody Reads Amendment) even bothered to mention this.

    Keeping you scattered as armed citizens is NOT being well-regulated nor can it be called a militia leaving you vulnerable for gun CONFISCATION. Until the NRA (Nobody Reads Amendments) calls for this I would disregard them.

    So these two parties (Congogress and the NRA) are just playing you. One for power and self-importance and the other for money. Recent stories have come out how Pierre lives very lavishly with membership donations. I don’t agree with this.

    • Sure thing Blather. Put the Governor of each state in charge of the militia and tell everybody else that they are not allowed to own a gun because they are not part of the state militia. Then tell all the governors that the President is in charge of their state militias and they are subject to the latest legislation and Supreme Court decision. Hey now that sounds like a sure fire way to remain free. Gun free that is.
      Just centralize power and control and then marginalize anyone that acts independently. It’s the Communist way.

      • Why do you guys SEE-SAW with the first part then forget the second part then you remember the second part and forget the first part?

        Now I see why we don’t have a Militia. Just a very loose band of disorganized hee-haws who call themselves “armed citizens” with NO ONE in charge.

        Are you a brainwashed NRA (Nobody Reads Amendments) member?

          • Because it’s NOT the Militia of the 2nd Amendment which would OUTNUMBER the standing army and is for the express purpose for the “security of a free State” and “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;”

            That’s NOT mentioned for the army.

            This is LAZY thinking and making us susceptible to BIG government the opposite of what the Constitution is about – YOU!

    • Actually, Texas and a few other states have militias that are not subject to federal control. They are under the control of the state governor. These units are not the National Guard. Look up SDF

    • I disagree, you seem to buying into the skewed arguement it was meant for the state militia, As I recall, the people did not want to ratify because it was vague and they wanted a specific bill of rights for INDIVIDUALS that was the purpose also this garbage about the constitution being g a living document is ridiculous also if that was the case it would not have the provisions I. there for amendment the way they are, this is all just brainwashing hogwash and garbage in my opinion the criminals in DC are nothing but a bunch of useless leaches on society they produce absolutely zero for society, nothing and we are suppose to have a Republic not a tyrannical Democracy they brainwashed everyone into calling it, the founders knew all to well about the evils of democracies and how easy it is to manipulate them and they all turn into communism, marxism whatever you want to call it, look it up thats a fact

  • I think Selcos’ situation is entirely different then what would happen in the USA. He had to confront ethnic cleansing from several different races/religious beliefs. Plus the USA is huge compared to Bosnia Serbia Herz. Balkanization would occur before any confiscation would. He may have great info on survival after the fact but as far as how it would go down is a crap shoot.

  • “If you say “ I’ll defend my right to carry” then good luck with that. Because your right could be stripped down and taken away by the majority of people, and that opinion is being so carefully implanted in them right now by the media.”

    Truer words could not be spoken.

    Take for example the situation in San Francisco: even though open carry is the law of the land, you take your life into your hands to do so. The place is so swarming with anti-gun zealots that a person risks being attacked for exercising that right. A concealed carry license is almost impossible to obtain, unless one is a big name politician like Diane Feinstein (who conceal carries in her purse). Criminals don’t bother with the niceties of legality. Therefore a responsible citizen either goes without a weapon, or concealed carries without a license. Or one carries a weapon that isn’t a firearm.

    SHTF has already started, starting with false flag operations where innocents are murdered. They’re designed to disarm people. Those false flag operations are recognized when the official narratives pushed by mainstream media and government fall apart under the weight of witnesses and evidence, but the shameless government/media complex continue with their false propaganda.

  • Y’all will probably put up as much of a fight as yall did with bumpstocks. Where was all the spartan molon labe steppin on da snake then?
    Oh yeah they were all stepping over each other making videos and blogging about how easy it was to turn them I “so when we win the lawsuit” LOL.
    and just like that they were gone….

    • Pick your battles…bump stocks we’re just a novelty, no one would seriously use them for anything other than fun. But, I agree they should never have been targeted, it was a bone for the Leftards.

  • They do not have to come get your guns!!!! If they are outlawed and you are faced with a life or death situation where you have to use your gun to save your life or the life of a loved one, you will go to prison! This is some scary stuff.

  • Come on all you progressive Democrats, LEAD BY EXAMPLE!! DISARM ALL YOUR SECURITY DETAIL’S OF THEIR WEAPONS. What you won’t? I thought you were leaders…but I guess you are just scared bullies who think only they and their families are worth protecting.

    Oh! I see you think you are our betters, That doesn’t deserve an reply to bullies who have forgotten and refuse to follow their oath of office. Like you, the oath I took and live by has no expiration date, so coward up you bullies! !

  • While i agree with Selco and friends on about 95% of their advice and insights, i will disagree with them on this particular issue.
    This isn’t the Balkans…
    Or the Slovac region…
    Or the EU….
    There is a WHOLE different culture built around American gun ownership. America was FORGED in fire…
    And this right is also constitutionally enshrined. Congress, the SCOTUS and the executive DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY to simply null and void a constitutiinal right at whim.
    And frankly, NOR DO THEY HAVE THE MANPOWER to even begin THINKING about door to door harassment and confiscation. The American gun community is large, well armed and very formidable, and the dumbest thing the federal or state govts could do? Is to antagonize and provoke them into formally organizing.
    Fact…. All law enforcement local, state and federal? Total maybe 1.3 million souls. Formal American gun owners? Total about 130 million, and that doesn’t even include FAMILY MEMBERS that can shoot. So tack that number up to about 200 million. THEY ARE OUTNUMBERED BY ROUGHLY 199 TO ONE!!! Would you attack under those odds??? Hell no….
    Lastly… In 2013, Connecticut and New York tried a “register em or turn em in” initiative, and it failed abysmally.
    The non-compliance rate in CT? 94%!!! The govetnor then told the state police to go out and enforce the edict, and the CT state police refused. ALL 1257 of them! You see their problem yet?
    New York’s SAFE ACT? The non compliance rate was even worse, at 97%!!! The NY state police were smart though, and got in front of this…. They told Cuomo that if he signed the SAFE ACT into law, then they could do their OWN dirtywork. The state police were not going to TOUCH this… Rightly so! It kept em breathing.
    Now mind you… CT and NY are 2 of the most liberal states in the nation and even THEY couldn’t make this happen! So what are the chances Biden and the BATFE are going to force a confiscation upon roughly 200 million pissed off, defiant, angry gun owners against their will?
    Add to that all of the rioting, looting, murder and arson we’ve recently witnessed this summer and beyond, with police STANDING DOWN, IGNORING THEIR OATHS OF SERVICE like cowards to protect their pensions and salaries….. NO GUN OWNER WORTH HIS SALT WILL BE HANDING OVER JACK SHEE-IT TO GOVT.
    Again, American gun culture is a whole different animal than the rest of the world is used to.
    Govts local state and federal, bureaucrats and authorities of all stripes, police, have all IRREFUTABLY PROVEN that when the chips are down, they cannot be counted on.
    Remember… In America? There will BE NO confiscation without CITIZEN COOPERATION. Not if they wish to avoid a bloodbath that they will lose handily.

  • I have thought personally that the SHTF long ago. It was just in slow-motion and practically unnoticeable… totally unnoticeable to the majority, and I said so… maybe even on here. I stopped giving prep advice, too. Most didn’t want to hear it, anyway.
    About the only way a rogue government could disarm most citizens will be the citizen’s life-long indoctrination to be law-abiding and always do what the law says. They will complain about it, but in the end will hand them over because they are frightened to do otherwise. They don’t have the criminal mind-set and don’t want to be labeled as a criminal and all the trouble that could bring to their orderly existence. Putting up with a little more tyranny is easier for them. They are, after all, good sheep. Criminals, however, could give a crap. They’ll keep their arms. As long as there is money to be made there will always be a market for firearms. Anyone who wants a gun will be able to get a gun. But it is likely the desperate and/or the risk-takers who will squirrel firearms away someplace known only to them and maybe some close family members. Bottom line is that the only way the rogues can accomplish disarmament is to scare citizens enough that most comply. They don’t have the resources to go door to door and will depend on snitches in order to conduct a few high-profile raids to keep the fear up.

    I’m reminded of something said by a resistance fighter in WWII France. It went like this… “With a knife you can get a pistol. With a pistol you can get a rifle. With a rifle you can get your freedom”. I also like to go back and read something Solzhenitsyn wrote:
    “During an arrest, you think since you are not guilty, how can they arrest you? Why should you run away? And how can you resist right then? After all, you’ll only make your situation worse; you will make it more difficult for them to sort out the mistake.
    And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say goodbye to his family?
    Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?
    The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! We did not love freedom enough. Every man always has handy a dozen glib little reasons why he is right not to sacrifice himself.”

    • One of the very best comments on this site, EVER. Why, the Solzhenitsyn quote is the truest thing I have ever read! Better dead than being tortured in a prison camp.

  • I know a lot of gun owners. I don’t know of any one who will turn in a gun due to this or any law. Most won’t resist if the police come to their door, but I don’t think the police will live long as the more radical community members take pre-emptive action against them immediately thereafter. The police can either be the supporters of freedom and the Constitutions or the enemy of society. Their choice, choose wisely. Liberal states who voted for this shit-show may buckle, but Florida and the deplorable states will not. Nor will the Sheriffs support this shit. We have always been a nation of States rights, and you better pick the right State to live in, if you want to have any freedom or Constitutional Rights.

  • You already live under total tyranny, but still believe that you are free and have “constitutional” rights. So called “insurrectionists” set up by feds using antifa thugs in MAGA hats and other provocateurs still sit in prison without due process while people who attack police and perpetrate crimes up to and including murder are never even charges or out on bail walking “free”. How many BLM or Antifa rioters are sitting in prison?
    “No justice, no peace.” Tell that to Ashli Babbitt’s husband and surviving family.
    Plandemic, supply chain breakdown, food shortages, recession or depression, border crisis are all just one manufactured crisis after another. The general population is being slowly conditioned like Pavlov’s dogs. In the end most will line up and climb on that bus to go to a settlement camp where the government promises food and safety.
    But, but the Constitution! Sorry but it died long ago. “What form of government do we have?” Benjamin Franklin was asked. He replies, “A republic, if you can keep it.” We failed.
    The SHTF quite some time ago. The collapse is here. Remember it isn’t the fall that kills you, it’s the landing and we just haven’t hit bottom yet. But it’s coming.Soon.
    Never, ever give up your guns and never, ever get on the bus.

  • President Trump, and yes, I voted for him, still advocates the vaccines to this day. What if he suddenly got back in office and supported a new law that restricted your ability to defend yourself? He has a lot of popular support these days. No question about that. Very often, the majority is wrong and even the smartest people in America fail to recognize the situation for what it is.

    • I too voted for the lesser of two evils. But EVIL is still EVIL. Are there any righteous people running for any office in our government? First, we must DRAFT some honestly righteous people who will stand up for our rights.
      Our biggest problem is where are there righteous God-fearing men or women who are willing to give their lives for our rotten inside-out government?
      I have a nephew who works in the pentagon and I personally would never want him to run for anything. He was raised in and grew up in the military system. He doesn’t understand what really working for a living is. The only money he has ever had was given to him by the public coffers.
      But then so have I for that matter, at least for most of my retired, disabled life. Even though at 75 I still work and manufacture electronic equipment. I do understand the work ethic and realize that everything needs to be made or built by someone else somewhere. CHINA, JAPAN, etc, How much actual manufacturing of anything is really made here in the USA? Our nation MUST return the manufacturing of everything.
      Otherwise, our nation is doomed to total destruction.
      Dave of Oregon

  • I am letting the government and all its cronies know that I prefer death to handing over my weapons. I will not obey and have shotgun slugs to prove it.

  • I doubt they are going to collect the guns. Guns can be hidden or 3d printed (did you know you can electrically reduce the internal size of hydraulic pipe and even add rifling electronically with a 3d printed part and a battery?) No, they’d be fools to try to get all the guns.

    The removal of people will be the trick.

    Stress their minds with disease, war and economic collapse. Make them afraid.

    Destroy the ability to get food. Starve the people and offer make the offer “Food and Water available in the camps. Violation of camp rules will not be tolerated.” 95% of the people will happily march themselves into a FEMA camp.

    The camps are built, staffed, ready and waiting. The one in Alaska holds 2 +million, plus they all have crematoriums either on site OR the rail mounted ones can be brought in.

    Don’t count on the guns being the first sign. If they had unlimited time they’d do that, but they have some sort of time constraint and they are 20+ years behind schedule by their own admissions.

  • One of my most worrisome observations with all that is possibly coming is that most homes in the hinterlands of our country are NOT brick and mortar, they are stick and siding, with half-inch chalkboard and paper on each side.
    VERY FEW have full-on brick, or hollow blocks and the block may or may not be filled with cement.
    there are very few 4 or 5-inch tilt-up concrete homes. Most large department stores are built with tilt-up technology. I would hate to have to fight from inside my home. I think the best thing to do now is to sandbag parts of the outside similar to our bunkers in VN Afganistan and other parts of the world
    I did notice that my U-LINE catalog is now selling large quantities of sand bags I would guess they are selling a lot of them. Oh, how I hate filling sandbags.
    Dave of Oregon

    • We sold house three yrs ago (way past retirement, phyically unable to keep up yard, cleanup 2017 hurricane debris, etc) and moved into a senior complex (ind. living) that is solid, well insulated from the 1980’s, metal roof. Someone else mentioned what you just said on another blog, and it sounds similar about cheapening building materials.

  • It would be a blessing if the SHTF quickly. But, I’m afraid it’s going to be a slow roll out as so many are. I don’t want to be in front of the fan when it hits, dribble or not. The good thing is my husband has an FFL and SOT. He has to let the ATF know when he builds a weapon for sale but not for personal use. We’re blessed to be out in the boonies in a very small community (not big enough to be a city or town.) And, while most here don’t ‘prep’ they are farmers and ranchers and preserve what they grow. Still, there are those who don’t and won’t listen. I’ve tried to tell the husband not to try anymore and to just keep quiet. If they can’t see it for themselves NOW then they won’t ever see it or simple don’t want to. They are a lost cause, family or not.

    • I only encouraged those in other parts of country some time ago, who would not relocate anyway. Never anyone living in my city. Some neighbors said they would go live w/family members if things got dicey.

  • MARTIAL LAW,enforced by the muslims ..WHO will be chopping off heads in the streets of america,YOUR POLICE AND MILITARY have switched sides,THEY all are working for their DADDY SATAN NOW,their paycheck is more important to them, then Their life or the life of their family,YOU AND YOUR FAMILY ARE NOTHING TO THEM.. you and your family are a ZERO,,of no importance at all,THIS COMING WAR IN THE STREETS OF AMERICA WILL BE A BLOODBATH,their going to unleash PLAGUES that kill in days,and you love these devils,and you will Never wake up in time to save your self or your family because AMERICANS ARE THE YELLOWEST COWARDS IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD..CALL ON THE LORD TO SAVE YOU,there won’t be many survivors,YOU”VE got five years of WAR coming,at its all will likely have died..

    • Now, that is an interesting outlook.

      How do the cities feed themselves if no one is shipping from the areas that produce food?

  • Basically, it comes down to TWO choices. Are you ready to DIE to defend your beliefs or are you ready to KILL to defend them?

    This is why people find it uncomfortable about the 2nd Amendment and most will (unbelievably) surrender because it will finally OUT them and that is very uncomfortable.

    I’ll tell you what is uncomfortable, getting a noose around YOUR neck and worse.

  • I used to think that gun confiscation, etc. couldn’t happen here in Texas because it’s too big, conservative, too many guns, etc. But after seeing how the police have betrayed the truckers in Canada, arrested people for “mean tweets” in England, stood around doing nothing while children were being slaughtered in Uvalde, I finally realized that the police may or may not be our friends, can’t be counted on and might care a lot more about a paycheck and a pension than protecting and serving.

    As to how it might be accomplished: powers that be calling on Democrats to rat people out. We live in a rural Texas county with no elected Democrats, but there are still too many Democrat voters. I live on a country road with a bunch of Republicans, but very close to my house are 2 bitter Democrat women, one of whom stopped speaking to me after I voted for W. Bush in 2004. (I realize that W. was no prize, but at least he wasn’t john kerry.) She would turn me in in a heartbeat. She’s the kind of person who reports kids riding a 4 wheeler on a dead-end road, etc. All it would take is a bunch of Karens.

  • I asked the question, “What would you do if the police came door-to-door collecting guns?” and got the answer around here that if some neighborhoods had warning, they would ambush the police with a hail of lead. There aren’t enough police to hit all neighborhoods simultaneously, therefore it’s possible that some neighborhoods get forewarned.

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